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Message 1766708 - Posted: 21 Feb 2016, 15:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 1766233.  

What is the Compute Capability of the EVGA NVIDIA GTX-750 TI SC?

I'm trying to DL the CUDA Driver from NVIDIA for MAC... The latest version says it WON'T work on cards that have 1.x Compute Capability.

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CUDA Drivers for MAC.


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This is what I have for my twin EVGA GTX750TI (not SC) on a Win7 x64 Ultimate -

02/21/2016 10:38:24 | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 361.91, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
02/21/2016 10:38:24 | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 361.91, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)


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Message 1766713 - Posted: 21 Feb 2016, 16:36:55 UTC - in response to Message 1766661.  

As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P

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Oh, this doesn't mean that Apple likes this situation! Just that Hackintosh has been found to be perfectly LEGAL!

So, Apple offers NO official support for Hackintosh; but, savvy PC users/builders are perfectly within their right to buy MAC OS X Snow Leopard and use the iBoot method to convert a relatively inexpensive PC into a MAC system and Upgrade it to El Capitan, the latest MAC OS.


If you could find a link to any sort of official statement that using Apple OSX in this way is not against their EULA I will be happy.

Remember you do not BUY the software, just a license to use it same as Windows.

Note this also from the EULA

The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the “Apple Software”) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (“Apple”) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and/or Apple’s licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you.


While Apple are unlikely to prosecute individuals as that would be bad PR they did successfully prosecute Psystar.

Psystar was an interesting case. The company actually sold computers pre-designed to accept OS X as a native operating system. As much as Psystar tried to circumvent the EULA by proving a bundled copy of OS X and not actually installing the software itself, Apple’s lawsuit was successful, winning damages and multiple appeals against Psystar, which has since been permanently barred from selling its Hackintosh systems.


The problem is not that you are going to use a companies product in violation of the EULA but you are going to detail how to do it on these boards.

Whilst breaking a EULA might seem OK, giving details of how to do it on a respected scientific projects forum is possibly not a good idea.

Carry on and convert to a hackingtosh if you must but I believe there a better places than here to discuss and document it.

Originally Apple tried to use their EULA against Psystar but that was tossed out. In order to install OS X on a machine, or VM, that was not designed/made by Apple requires breaking the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). (That's means it is illegal in the US) Which where Apple won their with Psystar.
The DMCA is a rather overpowered and broken legislative device. Originally it pretty much made making legitimate backup copies of software illegal. However there are exemptions they add to it. One of them might be able to be applied to older versions of OS X.
Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.
I think it would be interesting to see the outcome if someone argued that the older versions of OS X that can not be run on current hardware fall under that exemption.

I would expect the reason that Apple hasn't gone after the Hackintosh community, like they normally go after anyone else, is that there is no global equivalent of the DMCA.

PearPC is a company I remember also making cones but they were outsides the US. Did they get taken down by Apple as well?
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Message 1766718 - Posted: 21 Feb 2016, 16:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 1766661.  

As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P

[EDIT:]

Oh, this doesn't mean that Apple likes this situation! Just that Hackintosh has been found to be perfectly LEGAL!

So, Apple offers NO official support for Hackintosh; but, savvy PC users/builders are perfectly within their right to buy MAC OS X Snow Leopard and use the iBoot method to convert a relatively inexpensive PC into a MAC system and Upgrade it to El Capitan, the latest MAC OS.


If you could find a link to any sort of official statement that using Apple OSX in this way is not against their EULA I will be happy.

Remember you do not BUY the software, just a license to use it same as Windows.

Note this also from the EULA

The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the “Apple Software”) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (“Apple”) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and/or Apple’s licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you.


While Apple are unlikely to prosecute individuals as that would be bad PR they did successfully prosecute Psystar.

Psystar was an interesting case. The company actually sold computers pre-designed to accept OS X as a native operating system. As much as Psystar tried to circumvent the EULA by proving a bundled copy of OS X and not actually installing the software itself, Apple’s lawsuit was successful, winning damages and multiple appeals against Psystar, which has since been permanently barred from selling its Hackintosh systems.


The problem is not that you are going to use a companies product in violation of the EULA but you are going to detail how to do it on these boards.

Whilst breaking a EULA might seem OK, giving details of how to do it on a respected scientific projects forum is possibly not a good idea.

Carry on and convert to a hackingtosh if you must but I believe there a better places than here to discuss and document it.

First off, I'm NOT Psystar!

Second, I'm NOT doing this to SELL a computer with MAC OS; I do believe that legalities in that matter would indeed be questionable.

Tonymacx86 Site STATES that purchasing Intel specific hardware, then purchasing the MAC OS X Snow Leopard and using the Tonymacx86 iBoot Method to install MAC OS onto said hardware IS LEGAL!!!

Let's NOT get political here! I'm NOT detailing my build, I'm stating that I am building... There's a HUGE difference.

I'm NOT asking anyone to copy this procedure, I'm asking if anyone here HAS DONE THIS! One other person has responded that they bought their current i7 system to do this!

Let's put to bed any question here that I'm detailing the build! For details, anyone here can go to the Tonymacx86 site. (NOTE: I'm NOT even pasting a link to that site!)

I think we're through, now!!! :-P


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Message 1766724 - Posted: 21 Feb 2016, 17:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 1766713.  

Originally Apple tried to use their EULA against Psystar but that was tossed out. In order to install OS X on a machine, or VM, that was not designed/made by Apple requires breaking the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). (That's means it is illegal in the US) Which where Apple won their with Psystar.
The DMCA is a rather overpowered and broken legislative device. Originally it pretty much made making legitimate backup copies of software illegal. However there are exemptions they add to it. One of them might be able to be applied to older versions of OS X.
Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.
I think it would be interesting to see the outcome if someone argued that the older versions of OS X that can not be run on current hardware fall under that exemption.

Apple no longer offers support for any version of Mac O/S other than El Capitan, Yosemite or Mavericks. IIRC all no longer supported = obsolete versions are available free buried somewhere on their website. I not even sure you are asked to agree to the EULA to download them.
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Message 1766767 - Posted: 21 Feb 2016, 22:29:50 UTC

Why do people bother with EULAs? Let alone get hung up by them?


... And is not the USA supposedly the land of the free and of free innovation?


... And then there is the DCMA...


Only in the USA?

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Message 1766814 - Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 1:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 1766209.  
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I built an i7-5820k just for this purpose--to turn it into a Hackintosh. I haven't pulled the trigger on the Hackintosh part yet because I ran into a small obstacle that I haven't had the time to deal with. It's running Ubuntu Linux for now, but it will be a Hackintosh when I get around to it. Another thing that undermined the urgency was the change to the SETI v8 apps. SETI v7 had in-house optimized apps, so I wouldn't have to mess with anything when there were minor updates, plus the information assurance confidence that comes with sticking with the canonical apps.

I'm using info from this site and this post in particular http://www.tonymacx86.com/yosemite-desktop-guides/151670-success-i7-5820k-4-3ghz-2x-gtx-970-ga-x99-ud4-yosemite-hackintosh.html

Keep us posted on your project!

Mountain climbed!!! :-)

Now on MAC OS X Snow Leopard, 10.6.8. :-)

It took me longer than normal because I was taking my time and going step by step with a video on this playing on Exeter, (GTX-760 system), and having several tabs on Tonymacx86 site open for reference.

Andromeda now lives!!! :-)

Will be reinserting my Win 7 Drive into the Hot Swap bay, and reinserting the extra 4 GB RAM to bring system back to 8 GB RAM later tonight. Right now, I'm getting ready to go out and celebrate mom's B-Day; even though her actual B-Day is Tuesday.


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This post created on Andromeda-MAC OS X Snow Leopard, 10.6.8
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Message 1766884 - Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 14:34:14 UTC - in response to Message 1766767.  

Why do people bother with EULAs? Let alone get hung up by them?

Same reason that people bother with GPL's and are hung up by them.
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Message 1766903 - Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:38:04 UTC - in response to Message 1766455.  

Aside from the challenge, the reason I began building a Hackintosh was for better cooling. I like OS X and it's easy for me to maintain the computers my family uses with this OS.

But Apple hardware is also designed to be sleek and appealing, and has steadily gotten worse for overheating with BOINC projects. That's why I built mine. So I could have the performance and the ability to stick a water cooler into the machine while still maintaining commonality for administration.
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Message 1766904 - Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:41:12 UTC - in response to Message 1766814.  

By the way, I am pretty sure you can legitimately upgrade to newer versions of OS X if you have an Apple Store account. Just make sure you follow the procedures listed in Tonymacx86 to make sure the kernel and everything carries over correctly.
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Message 1766954 - Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 22:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 1766903.  

Aside from the challenge, the reason I began building a Hackintosh was for better cooling. I like OS X and it's easy for me to maintain the computers my family uses with this OS.

But Apple hardware is also designed to be sleek and appealing, and has steadily gotten worse for overheating with BOINC projects. That's why I built mine. So I could have the performance and the ability to stick a water cooler into the machine while still maintaining commonality for administration.

PM sent to you late last night. Just wanted to make sure you saw it. :-)


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Message 1775033 - Posted: 30 Mar 2016, 4:46:47 UTC - in response to Message 1766662.  
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As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P

OK so far so good. Now did you purchase a legal version of Snowleopard with a licence and you have a receipt?

and today I received a copy of Snow Leopard from a MAC friend. :-)

???

Late edit - you and us had better hope that no Apple employees read this thread and report back to HQ.

Now that I have the Hack working, proof of concept completed; I have purchased OS X Snow Leopard, 10.6.3.

:-P

System is Upgraded to El Capitan, 10.11.4; been running smoothly for two weeks on the latest El Cap release. :-)

Also had to Upgrade the Alternate NVIDIA, (Web), Driver to 346.03.06f01 and the CUDA Driver to 7.5.26 for my GTX-750 TI SC.

System is stable. :-)


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