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Message 1758535 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 8:12:28 UTC

Any oven manual I have ever read states quite clearly that they are NOT MEANT to be used for heating!
I will say that in the winter after the wife or I bake something we will open the door after the gas is turned off. Why waste all that heat in the winter?
That's is safe turning on an oven with the door open is not. You are letting carbon monoxide into your house. Its the same as bringing your BBQ grill into the house( either gas or charcoal) The warning not to do that is also in there respective manuals.

As a former firefighter with 20 years under my belt I don't trust any heating device left alone. And those portable kerosene heaters are nothing but death waiting to happen.
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Message 1758539 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 8:27:57 UTC

@Chris.

I do not want to sound like a nit picker but...

CO² is carbon dioxide
CO is carbon monoxide

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Message 1758545 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 8:54:41 UTC

Safe home heating......
Running electric (fan) heaters on a supply circuit that won't support a treadmill is just asking for trouble. Those heaters are rated at between one and two kW each, so running them both is going to be between two and four kW, and I that would be one massively high powered treadmill.
As for turning the oven on and opening the door - that is one of the best ways of slowly committing suicide ever invented. The oven is designed to be used with its door shut, the venting then works to get the combustion products out of the building. With the door open the venting system will not work, and the majority of the combustion products will end up in the room. The most obvious toxin in the mix is Carbon Monoxide, which is really insidious in the way it works. It replaces the transport oxygen in hemoglobin, and is more tightly bound there; this means it doesn't get released so easily, taking anything between 24 and 120 hours to get released at the end of the exposure, so gradually it will build up.
Fortunately there are a few symptoms that can be noticed - skin flush - is your skin a bit redder than normal; dull headache that persists for hours, and may be worse about an hour after exposure; lethargy, are you more lethargic than our normal. These are all reversible, a few days without using the oven as a source of heating and they will clear up.

I can understand why you are looking to stay warm, but keeping your room at 75-78F is far warmer than you need to, try dropping it by 2 degrees to 73-76F. This will have several benefits, first you will spend less money o n heating, and second you will actually "burn off" fat as your body core maintains its 98F temperature, and as your weight reduces you will find you need less food to maintain core temperature, and so loose more weight (but that is a long term effect, not a "two day magic cure").
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Message 1758587 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 11:09:43 UTC

Carbon dioxide will asphyxiate you, eventually at high enough concentrations.
Carbon monoxide is a really nasty toxin, it accumulates in the body, and even quite low concentrations can lead to serious life threatening situations.
Both however are "reversible" - remove them from the air and the body will get rid of them, carbon dioxide leaves the body quite rapidly, in only a few minutes, but carbon dioxide relies on it being flushed out from the blood stream by
oxygen, a process that is very slow.


As for those ancient paraffin heaters, some were real works of art, with polished brass and high gloss black lace-like ornamentation.
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Message 1758599 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 11:43:08 UTC

My crunchers are safe home heating. Safer than my 56 yo furnace that has not run in a couple of years,.,,,,,,,,,
Electric heat is expensive, but it crunches as well.
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Message 1758604 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 12:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 1758587.  
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carbon monoxide relies on it being flushed out from the blood stream by oxygen, a process that is very slow.

As for those ancient paraffin heaters, some were real works of art, with polished brass and high gloss black lace-like ornamentation.

I have an 'Aladdin' paraffin lamp from that era, both as decoration and for use in power cuts. It can cause problems: when I had a power cut on New Year's Day, a couple of years ago, the network supply engineer who came to the door in response to my callout said "Did you report an outage? We didn't think it was you, because we could see you still had a light on."

Those incandescent gas/oil mantles give off a light at least as good as modern CFL bulbs.
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Message 1758606 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 12:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 1758604.  

carbon monoxide relies on it being flushed out from the blood stream by oxygen, a process that is very slow.

As for those ancient paraffin heaters, some were real works of art, with polished brass and high gloss black lace-like ornamentation.

I have an 'Aladdin' paraffin lamp from that era, both as decoration and for use in power cuts. It can cause problems: when I had a power cut on New Year's Day, a couple of years ago, the network supply engineer who came to the door in response to my callout said "Did you report an outage? We didn't think it was you, because we could see you still had a light on."

Those incandescent gas/oil mantles give off a light at least as good as modern CFL bulbs.

When the power goes out here....................
It gets silent and scary as death itself.
I cuddle with the kitties on the warmth of the waterbed and pray for it to pass.
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Message 1758690 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 15:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 1758574.  

According to this pic he posted from the boxes he kept, they are Lasko Digital Ceramic Heaters. Boxes
Depending upon which model he bought they are about 1.5 Kw with three settings. Most probably (1)1/2 kW, (2)1 kW, or (3)both together 1.5kW. In any case two at max = 3kW. But on a thermostat they will switch on and off, so it won't be 3kW continuous.

According to "Help the Aged" and "Age Concern" in the UK, 75F and above is too warm, 70F is ideal, 62F is too cold, 61F or less is dangerous for hypothermia. That leaflet that all households received in London is underwritten by British Gas and the Mayor of London. If Vic needs his home that hot then it only confirms what I thought earlier that either he is not eating properly or he has medical problems. But I doubt he will go to the Doctor, because he gets told what he doesn't want to hear. We can only advise him for his benefit Rob, nowt else we can do.

Vic has already told people countless times that he has health problems. I thought you were an avid reader of his posts and would have understood that.

I hope he does listen to the advice given here by many about not using the gas oven for heating. As has been pointed out, there are benefits to keeping the room temperature down a little lower, but if you are not moving about enough it is easy to feel the cold.

Your points have been made and it is up to Vic as to whether he takes them on board.
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