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Message 1759386 - Posted: 26 Jan 2016, 6:40:30 UTC

OK, let's begin...
Hiding your computers is often taken as a hint that the person concerned may be doing something "not right". If your computers were running well there would be no need to see what the major components are (CPU type, GPU type, operating system) plus the recent tasks record and the names of the applications installed. This information is useful in diagnosing problems. If you want to see what information is available then click on my name, and look at any of my computers.
Obviously just now you are having problems getting work from SETI, and without some basic information it is very hard to point you in the right direction. One thing that has just occurred to me is that you are running a number of other projects, one or two of which are "hogs" - they send out large numbers of tasks with very short deadlines, and so prevent (in the short term) SETI sending tasks to your computer, that added to SETI's servers being off-line for a large chunk in the last day or so hasn't helped (talk about kooky servers, they get upset when folks talk ill of them....)
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Message 1760724 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 14:46:34 UTC

Unlike you guys I have my Android 4.3 phone, a new Windows 8.1 laptop that failed (that is in Cafe Seti) that i juuuuust got back last night from Geek Squad (arrgghh!) with a new hard drive but not much else including no seti@home yet, an old Vista laptop, and most important and probably inconceivable to you guys, I have no home internet access, only free wifi at places like McDonalds. So all the seti@home and other projects have been done with intermittant wifi access, except my phone but its not exactly a powerhouse and has to "rest" while the battery cools down and the competing projects try to fight over who has priority. Right at the moment my phone is working on two v8 units, which is progress, and that is all. It also shows that I have zero credits in any project, which is wrong.
I really wish you guys would stop acusing me of doing something apparently illegal or immoral or I don't know what. I am just me. There are no plots or tricks or whatever you have cooked up in your imagination. Its just me and my phone and laptop, and free wifi access. See I told you, its something you wouldnt use for your cat litterbox. No plots or schemes or whatever paranoid thing you are acusing me of. Just me trying to do some seti@home. Very simple, no plots, nothing more.
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Message 1760761 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 16:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1760724.  

-[ snip ]- Very simple, no plots, nothing more.

Greetings Mojo,

Several years ago there was a user here that had "his" computers hidden. If memory serves, his username was NEZ. Anyway, it was discovered that he was running SETI@Home on "illegal" machines, meaning machines not authorized to him for such a purpose.

This is the fuel of the concern of some here regarding your hidden computer(s) and not allowing them to be seen by others.

You asked for help and the first place people will look to try to help is to view your computer(s) to see if there is an apparent problem there first. By not allowing your computer(s) to be viewed by those trying to help only fuels their suspicion and backs them away from trying to help.

I hope this clarifies why you are getting these responses in this thread. :)

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Message 1760808 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 18:30:27 UTC

On the other hand there are those that hide their computers believing that not doing so will render them liable to some sort of tinkering by those not permitted to do so. This is an understandable, but unfounded fear. The interface is read-only one, the only things that can be seen by folks in SETI are configuration details - if you want to see what can be seen then take a look at mine - you can't even see the computer name, only the SETI id.
As Siran explained there have been abuses of SETI over the years, with NEZ being the most (in)famous (he was dismissed by his employer for all sorts of things to do with his use of a school's computers to run SETI).
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Message 1760817 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 18:50:57 UTC

Ya know....His 'puters aren't hidden on the other projects.
https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=833574
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Message 1760842 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 20:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 1759377.  

UNTIL YOU UNHIDE YOUR PC(S) NO ONE CAN OR WILL HELP YOU: "Computers hidden".
My suspicions are that you have installed one of the customized apps (aka "Lunatics Installer").

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't know what that is although I have seen it mentioned somewhere. And I also don't know why a customized installer would be bad. Or why it matters to anyone but me what computers I have. You can see what projects I have worked on. At least I think you can. So who cares what my computers are? And they say you should restrict whatever personal data you can online, so I chose to hide that for that exact reason, believe it or not. 8) I have also been volunteering computers for seti@home since... I'm not sure, but I got in trouble at work for it at the time, but it was attached to a work email that I dont have access to now. But I think you can see I have credits in the low thousands, not millions or kajillions like you guys, so I have no computer you'd even consider using as your cat's litterbox. 8)


Restricting your personal information is ok (since it is allowed to hide it). If a seti program crashes it can reveal your username by listing your user path in error report. I have seen that happen.
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Message 1760899 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 23:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 1760842.  

If a seti program crashes it can reveal your username by listing your user path in error report. I have seen that happen.

Most people who register here do so with the name they're using on their computer, as by default that's what the web site will look for and use. Only those that go into their account and edit other account info know they can change their forum and Account name.

Also, a lot of the error paths are from the system that compiled the science application, so in that case the path can give the application developer's name.
Or indeed if the user compiled the app themselves, their name.

It is true that BOINC writes certain log files to C:\Users\Windows account username\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, but as far as I know that path is never shown in app crashes. BOINC crashes are registered in the stderrdae.txt log file that's written into the BOINC data directory, which on Windows XP and 2000 is written to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC, and in Windows Vista through 10 to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, thus not giving a path with a username in it either.

Not saying it's not true, mind.
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Message 1760911 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 23:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 1760899.  

If a seti program crashes it can reveal your username by listing your user path in error report. I have seen that happen.

Most people who register here do so with the name they're using on their computer, as by default that's what the web site will look for and use. Only those that go into their account and edit other account info know they can change their forum and Account name.

Also, a lot of the error paths are from the system that compiled the science application, so in that case the path can give the application developer's name.
Or indeed if the user compiled the app themselves, their name.

It is true that BOINC writes certain log files to C:\Users\Windows account username\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, but as far as I know that path is never shown in app crashes. BOINC crashes are registered in the stderrdae.txt log file that's written into the BOINC data directory, which on Windows XP and 2000 is written to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC, and in Windows Vista through 10 to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, thus not giving a path with a username in it either.

Not saying it's not true, mind.

I have seen my windows username appear in a Stderr output from a crash dump before. Not that I really mind. Anyone can call call me what whatever they like. I imagine there are some that would prefer that not to happen.
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Message 1760917 - Posted: 30 Jan 2016, 23:53:22 UTC - in response to Message 1760911.  

I have seen my windows username appear in a Stderr output from a crash dump before..

On Windows that's usually because Windows symbols are being called. And if installed by Windows, they tend to live in a directory of the structure of C:\Users\Your name\*

I don't think there can be anything done about that, other than specifying where Windows should save the symbols to, or the app- or BOINC developer not calling on Windows symbols for his crash dumps. But then debugging becomes very difficult.
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Message 1761088 - Posted: 31 Jan 2016, 19:42:01 UTC - in response to Message 1760817.  
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Ya know....His 'puters aren't hidden on the other projects.
https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=833574
Make of it what you will...


See, now I have someone stalking me from here, into my other projects, so they can veeeerrrryyy importantly "expose" me online for being... Oh No!!!... look at that!... Scandalous!... Its...! Its...! Its...! ...just me trying to run some seti@home on my laptop I just got back, an Android 4.3 phone that was run over by a car and was replaced by another one, and it even shows an Android 5.1 cheap knockoff tablet I bought that doesn't work. I hope you guys got the creepy-guy orgasmic thrill of laying me exposed for everyone to see... as exactly what I have been telling you all along. Be sure to tell the doctors so they can change your medicine to something that will control your paranoia better. [*grumbles*]
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Message 1761101 - Posted: 31 Jan 2016, 20:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 1761088.  


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Message 1761293 - Posted: 1 Feb 2016, 11:21:03 UTC - in response to Message 1761088.  

You seem to not need or want any help.

But if you do need/want help:
- describe your problem shortly and clearly (what do you want? what you see instead?)
- state your Settings - Copy/Paste from pages:
Computing preferences
SETI@home preferences

At the top of first page:
"These settings apply to all computers using this account except
computers where you have set preferences locally using the BOINC Manager
Android devices
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So if you use Local preferences - check them:
"Settings override the same preferences set on the project's web page preferences"
 


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Message 1761437 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:19:57 UTC - in response to Message 1761293.  
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Well Alf, It is Alf, right? I clearly stated what the problem was and what I was seeing. Very clearly. That is what the original post was. Nothing about Lunatics, anyone named Nez, no conspiracy theories, no pretending to be anything, no personal attacks, none of that. We will wsit while you reread it.... ....... ...... .... [*hums completely off tune*]
So, I clearly stated what I saw as the problem and what I wanted. Very clearly. Since then, I got rid of the v7 problem by destroying the v7 work units it kept downloading. Unconventional but effective! And done without conspiracy theories involved! [*wolf whistles*] It did happen to involve my hard drive being destroyed and not downloading BOINC again to the laptop yet, and factory reset destrying everything on my phone, but the damned v7 units are gone. 8)
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Message 1761440 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:26:41 UTC - in response to Message 1761437.  

Why the anger, those people are trying to be helpful, as an aside no one else is having your problem so it stands to reason the problem is on your end. With the amount of info you are willing to provide no one can help so why did you even bother posting?
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Message 1761447 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:46:04 UTC - in response to Message 1761440.  
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Why the anger, those people are trying to be helpful, as an aside no one else is having your problem so it stands to reason the problem is on your end. With the amount of info you are willing to provide no one can help so why did you even bother posting?

Oh, that's easy! Its not anger, its exasperation at some posts that attack me and/or my motives. Everything was fine, I did what people said. Everything was dessert in Paradise. Then people decided to be nasty at me for no reason. Go back and read the whole thread, you can see where it got hostile to me. So I reminded everyone of my original post. Direct, to the point, very clear. Still is now too. [*wolf whistles at the beauty of the first few posts*]
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Message 1761451 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:52:41 UTC - in response to Message 1761437.  

Well Alf, It is Alf, right? I clearly stated what the problem was and what I was seeing. Very clearly. That is what the original post was. Nothing about Lunatics, anyone named Nez, no conspiracy theories, no pretending to be anything, no personal attacks, none of that. We will wsit while you reread it.... ....... ...... .... [*hums completely off tune*]
So, I clearly stated what I saw as the problem and what I wanted. Very clearly. Since then, I got rid of the v7 problem by destroying the v7 work units it kept downloading. Unconventional but effective! And done without conspiracy theories involved! [*wolf whistles*] It did happen to involve my hard drive being destroyed and not downloading BOINC again to the laptop yet, and factory reset destrying everything on my phone, but the damned v7 units are gone. 8)

Are you still having the problem of v7 tasks being downloaded? Did you manage to abort the v7 tasks your machine did download?
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Message 1761453 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 1761451.  
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Your post already contains my answer HAL9000.


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Message 1761454 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 1:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 1761453.  
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Your post slready contains my answer HAL9000.

I wasn't sure how much of that was true & how much was sarcasm.
But it seems you have removed BOINC for now. Which means you are not longer having the issue.
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Message 1761455 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 2:05:17 UTC - in response to Message 1761454.  
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Your post slready contains my answer HAL9000.

I wasn't sure how much of that was true & how much was sarcasm.
But it seems you have removed BOINC for now. Which means you are not longer having the issue.

You answer before I can go back and spell things correctly or add to something.
The v7 are destroyed along with my laptop hard drive and phone data, neither were intentional, but it stopped downliading v7 to my phone and BOINC is not on my new hard drive yet (or much of anything else). BOINC is on my cell phone and i am typing this on the phone. So i am workibg on BOINC stuff very slowly. Remember, my only laptop internet connection is at free wifi spots.
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Message 1761471 - Posted: 2 Feb 2016, 3:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1761447.  

Go back and read the whole thread, you can see where it got hostile to me.

I have followed this thread since you started it and your perception is very, very different from mine. If I wanted to be snarky some of your posts lay you open.
God it was hard not to be snarky.
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