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Message 1922544 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1922542.  

Others have been nibbling on us for over 200 years. The American apple pie is big and the best. Especially with ice cream.

Try as you may, try as you might. har... ;-)
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Message 1922548 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 1922544.  

But they do get in, love America so go to school...

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Message 1922551 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:30:01 UTC
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Ah, we get to the crux of the matter, it's all the fault of the British.

These Americans wrote their mad Constitution because a British Parliament, elected by less than 5% of the British Population (because that is how many people were eligible to vote), such a Parliament, whose Executive Power meant that Mad King George was innocent, decided that all of the British People Worldwide, irrespective of whether they had a vote, ought to pay for their defence from the Worldwide threat from the French & Spanish Empires.

The British Colonists in the 13 Colonies decided that they didn't need to pay for their protection by the Royal Navy from interference to trade by French & Spanish Raiders, because they traitorously decided they were going to trade with the enemy whilst the rest of the British Empire fought against them.

Naturally, Traitorous Scum had to be brought to book, and the Royal Navy was dispatched to bring order in the Colonies. The Traitorous Scum decided not only to trade with the enemy, but fight on the enemy's side. The French blocked the resupply of the British Army on the ground, and also supplied the Traitorous Scum with 90% of their Gun Powder with which to prosecute their Traitorous Revolutionary War.

Being complete numpties, the Traitorous Leaders wrote a Constitution that armed its Citizen Traitors forever, just in case the British ever came back.

The British decided 'feck this for a game of soldiers, these fecking Traitors aren't worth the effort', and then turned their back on the Colonies to fight and win the World War against the French and Spanish.

However, life moved on, the nature of the World changed, everyone else in the World got on and changed their Governments, electors, leaders, and Laws in general progressed. while the new American State wiped out the indigenous Peoples of North America with whom the British Government had had treaties with, and had a great use of their guns in the process of doing so, they even declared War on the British at a time that the British as a fledgling World Power could have brought all its forces to bear to wipe out the former Traitors, and instead decided that burning down their American seat of power might be a better example of showing who not to feck with, hence the White House.

These Americans then had an Internal Spat using all sorts of guns to wipe each other out for supremacy over Slaves, which the British were already freeing Worldwide since 1807, and during which fighting, a lot of people seeing the futility of shooting each other over a Trade that was banned Worldwide by the British Navy, and decided to evade the draft, and therefore bore the fruit of FATCA, and the IRS chasing its supposedly 'free' people Worldwide for taxes annually. Only one other country does that, a dictatorship in Africa.

The World moved on, World Wars ensued, with America realising early on the opportunity of war profiteering, while others fought against a tyranny that would one day without check change the World for the worst, each time, profit, selfishness, and insular thought prevented the US from acting earlier as an Ally to defeat this tyranny, in the worst case it was Worldwide Fascism and Nazism, and finally the three powers that could end the tyranny, the British & Commonwealth, the Russians, and the USA, actually worked together. Afterwards, the Special Relationship between the US and UK was maintained.

The UN Charter was born, based mostly on British Laws, which the US was using in the form of English Common Law since the Revolutionary War, and nowhere within that UN Charter does it say anyone has a Right to Bear Arms to Protect themselves against a British Government wishing taxation without representation. Mainly because the World had moved on since the 2nd Amendment, Britain was not a threat to British Traitors, as there weren't any British Traitors.

Life had moved on.

So the only reason the US has the 2nd Amendment is some ridiculous fear that either one day the British might come back as the bogie man, or their own US Government will turn into one.

Misplaced fear puts guns in people's hands in the US, and arming a people in fear with lethal weapons means that people kill each other on a daily basis to the tune of 20,000 people a year, which I suppose is justified in some minds on the basis of watering the tree of freedom.

No-one else pays such a price, no-one else is in fear of tyranny, especially those that have suffered it in the past in Europe, or the British that formerly paid off its WW2 loans to the US and Canada in 2006, whilst everyone else in Europe, particularly France, Germany, and Russia, welshed on the deal of British Loans and War Reparations, you're all fecking welcome by the way, we apparently paid for all sides to learn the lessons.

The US Constitution however, needs to grow up.
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Message 1922555 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1922551.  

Don't like it, then come over and try to change it.

So many others are... har!
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Message 1922559 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:42:30 UTC - in response to Message 1922551.  

The US Constitution however, needs to grow up.
Also enter the 21st century. 1776 was such a long time ago :-)

As was this :-)

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Message 1922561 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:45:50 UTC - in response to Message 1922521.  

The Constitution was not written to restrain the citizens' behavior. It was written to restrain the government's behavior.

That is our difference. The only country in the world to do so.


Have you actually read any other nations' constitutions? I'm rather doubting it from that last sentence. :^p
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Message 1922563 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 22:00:40 UTC - in response to Message 1922555.  
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Don't like it, then come over and try to change it.

So many others are... har!


Its not my problem you lot kill each other over petty change, a TV, a tail light, or a misunderstanding, due to selfishness and irrational fear, that's entirely your bag matey, you want your kids to inherit that shite then that's on you.

BTW we fecking invented Apple Pie, so you don't even have that, stop trying to score points in a game you'll lose and address the problem of you all shooting each other, then your kids might survive school.
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Message 1922564 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 22:03:13 UTC - in response to Message 1922561.  
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The Constitution was not written to restrain the citizens' behavior. It was written to restrain the government's behavior.
That is our difference. The only country in the world to do so.

Have you actually read any other nations' constitutions? I'm rather doubting it from that last sentence. :^p

How many of us have read Constitutions of their own nations?
I have certainly not. Only the US's and the Russian to check their Gun Rights and Laws.
The US Constitution include Gun Rights which I found very weird.
Gun Rights are not part of the Swedish Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Laws_of_Sweden
Here it's a Privilege to Bear Arms. Not a Right to Bear Arms.
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Message 1922567 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 22:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 1922564.  
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I've read mine, despite many poeple believing we don't have one.

To be fair, its not all in one document, but then a country that has modified its Laws over the best part of 1500 years to suit the present day circumstances will never have a Constitution that remains the same, some things will inevitably be introduced, other things repealed, however, for those that seem to think one page with 20 odd amendments is good enough, here's the British Constitution, Wikipedia is as good a place as any..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom
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Message 1922573 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 22:43:59 UTC - in response to Message 1922567.  

Yes but 1500 years?
San Marino's written basis is the oldest Constitution and dates back to the year 1600.
The British Constitution is even older, but it is largely based on common law and later development, that is, enforced customary practice, ie unwritten rules. There are, however, important documents of importance to the British Constitution and legal developments, such as Magna Charta and Bill of Rights.
Magna Charta was written 800 years ago.
Our first draft to a Constitution is also from 800 years ago.
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Message 1922576 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 22:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 1922573.  
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Yes, ours isn't written , but after the Romans left the UK in 410, we were using Roman Laws until we decided to replace that with something better.

Roman Laws for Trial and Justice are known, and they were practiced as a means of Justice for longer in the UK than the US has existed as a country.

See Roman Law in Anglo Saxon England by John Frederick Winkler, 2007

Roman Laws were notably practiced in the Mid-12th Century in England, and there is evidence that they were a part of the body of Law up until the 17th Century
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Message 1922581 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1922576.  

Unfortunately I can no longer Open Carry my Gladius on British Streets...
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Message 1922583 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:11:58 UTC - in response to Message 1922576.  

Yes, ours isn't written , but after the Romans left the UK in 410, we were using Roman Laws until we decided to replace that with something better.
Roman Laws for Trial and Justice are known, and they were practiced as a means of Justice for longer in the UK than the US has existed as a country.
See Roman Law in Anglo Saxon England by John Frederick Winkler, 2007
Roman Laws were notably practiced in the Mid-12th Century in England, and there is evidence that they were a part of the body of Law up until the 17th Century

Pax Romana comes to mind:)
However Roman law system is actually practised even today in the Western world.
But that is not a Constitution of a nation.
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Message 1922585 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:14:57 UTC - in response to Message 1922581.  
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Unfortunately I can no longer Open Carry my Gladius on British Streets...

LOL.
Me neither in the streets of Stockholm.
Too cold for that!
In the summer though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma_yIWQEqWk
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Message 1922587 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:22:37 UTC

Phew! Are all Americans so totally religiously uptight and angst-ridden about their guns?

This thread reads more like a schoolyard fist-fight rather than anything of any thoughtfulness...


Trying to add some real-world reality to bring the USA back into the real world, just two real world links:

Gun violence

... Compared to similarly wealthy nations with strict gun control laws, such as Japan, the United Kingdom, or South Korea, the United States has an overall rate of firearms death per capita, which is 50–100 times greater than many of its peers... despite having the highest number of police officers, is sometimes thought to be attributable to its extreme rate of gun ownership, as it is the only nation in which guns exceed people. Nearly all studies have found a positive association between gun ownership and gun-related homicide and suicide rates...


This city fights crime with gardening

The best tool to fight crime may be a lawnmower. That’s the conclusion of a new study, which shows that sprucing up vacant lots by doing as little as picking up trash and cutting the grass curbed gun violence in poor neighborhoods in a major U.S. metropolis by nearly 30%...



Or is the USA a Mad-Max world of desperadoes all the way to their own-made apocalypse?

Or can we have some good human sense added to this thread at least?


Only in the USA?

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(And thanks mods for great patience for keeping this thread from being too badly degenerately shot up :-( )
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Message 1922590 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:29:26 UTC

Data
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/full/10.1108/JCRPP-05-2015-0013
The paper also mapped the field of regulatory change over time. In the case of the USA, there was a moderate association between a decline in mass shootings and the temporary 1994-2004 Federal Assault Weapon Ban. The period following the cessation of the ban saw an increase in incidents and fatalities.

Hard Data

OBW, 1994 to 2004 Federal Assault Weapon Ban, survived every court challenge. No need for surgery on the Second.
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Message 1922591 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 1922561.  

Na, I just blindly spew assertive opinions from my armchair in my folk's basement. wink wink ;-) ;-)

GMaFB

Not only the countries I have lived in and or visited (Canada for one eh) but a fair amout of the individual 50 State Constitutions after 13 schools in 12 years. The joys of a Brat (military dependent) and a four years of my own military commitment. SF
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Message 1922593 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1922587.  

(And thanks mods for great patience for keeping this thread from being too badly degenerately shot up :-( )
Yep, no SAW's allowed :-)
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Message 1922595 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 23:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1922573.  
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San Marino's written basis is the oldest Constitution and dates back to the year 1600.

Speaking of Guns and San Marino:)
There are plenty of Gun shops in San Marino!
Here is one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQSFbEhOFg
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