https://apnews.com/abd7421bbef34872baef75688617ea30

OCALA, Fla. (AP) — A man suspected of fatally shooting a woman in a north Florida Walmart store on Saturday afternoon is hospitalized due to a self-inflicted gunshot wound and is not expected to survive his injuries, police said.

In a Facebook post Saturday night, Ocala police identified the suspect as David Johnson, 54, and the victim as Carli Cronin, 30.

The shooting occurred during an apparent domestic dispute in the garden section of a Walmart store in Ocala, which is north of Orlando along Interstate 75. Johnson shot Cronin multiple times as Cronin screamed for help and employees called 911 and also attempted to intervene. He then fled on a bicycle and then shot himself, police said.

Here is a reason to why you need a gun.
Especially at this time of year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeM5429bfnc
But you need a permit for it.

Here is a reason to why you need a gun.
Especially at this time of year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeM5429bfnc
But you need a permit for it.

...we don't need a reason, it's a Constitutional right, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of....." (anything you desire as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

(.... as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

By, for example, shooting them dead.

(.... as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

By, for example, shooting them dead.

Ah so true, easy access to gun vs. right to life. Life wins.

(.... as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

By, for example, shooting them dead.

Exactly, that's illegal.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

(.... as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

By, for example, shooting them dead.

Exactly, that's illegal.

Most families would prefer to have a living relative, rather than a guilty verdict in a murder trial after the event.

Prevention is better than even state-sanctioned vengeance.

(.... as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to do the same).

By, for example, shooting them dead.

Exactly, that's illegal.

Most families would prefer to have a living relative, rather than a guilty verdict in a murder trial after the event.

Prevention is better than even state-sanctioned vengeance.

...as would several hundred French, Norwegian, and English families........stop all murder in the rest of the world and you might, just might, have a point. Until that happens be careful what you throw in your glass house.....oh, and stop murdering children in the womb.

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...as would several hundred French, Norwegian, and English families........

Wikipedia: List of countries by intentional homicide rate

"Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants."

Rank	Country			Rate ↓
 90	United States		5.35
169	France			1.35
173	England and Wales	1.22
209	Norway			0.51

And your point was?

.....oh, and stop murdering children in the womb.

Corollary: Stop murdering sometimes-innocent convicts.

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....oh, and stop murdering children in the womb.

So that they can be murdered at school instead by some nuts with guns?

I was wondering why our own local orange one had picked out "French, Norwegian, and English families", and guessed it was possibly because all three have experienced 'gun spree' mass killings in recent years, of a kind familiar in America from Columbine onwards.

I'll pick the English (actually, British) example because it's the one I know best.

Source: Wikipedia List of massacres in Great Britain

Leaving aside the political/terrorist examples, there are just three which are even close to the Columbine model:

Hungerford (1987 - England)
Dunblane (1996 - Scotland)
Cumbria (2010 - England)

The town-names of Hungerford and Dunblane have entered the language as shorthand terms for the eponymous massacres. But I was surprised - even shocked - to find that the third had slipped out of my mind. That's a part of the country I know well, and I'd been within a couple of miles of the gunman's route, 36 hours before the event. That brings it home to you, but the human brain is merciful with its forgetfulness. Until the next time.

Useful reading: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dunblane-school-shootings-ban/

Charpentier's observation a corollary to Godwin's law; Any gun rights discussion will eventually be conflated with abortion rights.

Another school covered with NRA blood ...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-middle-school-shooting-leaves-teen-suspect-dead/story?id=59796666

A teenage suspect is dead after a shooting outside an Indiana middle school Thursday morning, police said.

The single shooter exchanged gunfire with police before killing himself, according to Indiana State Police Sgt. John Bowling.

The USA Gun Laws are very weird.
"How to create a gun lobby and not burn out."
https://youtu.be/vHqIHufg7nI
https://www.gq.ru/heroes/kak-sozdat-oruzhejnoe-lobbi-i-ne-progoret
Russian agent Maria Butina claimed she had a "signed cooperation agreement" with the NRA.
The NRA would not confirm whether or not it had entered into a cooperation agreement with Butina’s group.
Butina, who pleaded guilty in federal court Thursday for her role in a wide-ranging conspiracy to covertly influence American politics, founded the Right to Bear Arms in Moscow in 2010 with support from high-ranking Russian official Alexander Torshin. Prosecutors detailed how Butina used her profile as a gun rights advocate to build a relationship with NRA officials and other influential political figures in the run-up to the 2016 election.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/maria-butina-nra-signed-cooperation-agreement-2013-israel/

The gun violence in France this week leads me to believe that no one has the answer to this universal problem.

People kill People. It's a fact of life.

Some believe banning of firearms will stop these events from occurring. Some believe freedom to posses firearms to defend themselves from these events is necessary.

I think it should be obvious that neither choice has been the solution.

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Going by the statistics, the evidence says*, banning is the best solution.

* Just one figure, An 18 to 25 year old in the US is nearly 50 times more likely to die in a firearms incident that in any other country of similar wealth.

The gun violence in France this week leads me to believe that no one has the answer to this universal problem.

Oh no. Another "Look what happened in (fill in the Europian country) last weekend" argument.
The Strasbourg attack was committed by one well known criminal sought by the police.
A criminal that probably was radicalized when spending time in prison both in Germany and France.
The Daesh take responsibilty of the deed but that's not probably not true.
Not at all like we can see from the US where kids are shooting kids!

Going by the statistics, the evidence says*, banning is the best solution.

* Just one figure, An 18 to 25 year old in the US is nearly 50 times more likely to die in a firearms incident that in any other country of similar wealth.

**do countries of similar wealth have mental health care? USA does not.
<ed>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1489823/

		Number of		Number of	Number of	
		psychiatric beds	psychiatrists	psychiatric nurses
		per 10,000		per 100,000	per 100,000
Americas	3.30			1.60		2.70
Europe		8.70			9.00		27.50