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moomin  Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 
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Fair enough, but my main question is still unanswered. Why does a civilian want to own a SAW & for what purpose?For sport and hunting. Perfectly legal in our Nordic countries. @Gary A revolver is semi-automatic. So is a pistol. However as you say a bolt action rifle and a pump action shotgun isn't automated. |
Sirius B   Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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A revolver is semi-automatic..Really? How so? |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0
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No need to reload between firing rounds.A revolver is semi-automatic..Really? How so? A revolver or a pistol with perhaps six rounds is not different to shoot with than with a semi-automatic rifle like an AR15 with six rounds. Just pull the trigger six times. |
 Mr. Kevvy    Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 
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A revolver is semi-automatic. The older ones are single-action... the hammer needs to be pulled back/cocked manually, so they don't qualify. Most new ones are double-action, where the hammer can be manually cocked but pulling the trigger will pull the hammer back if it is uncocked; those ones can be fired as fast as the trigger can be pulled. (Edit: OK, yes... there's fanning the hammer, but one needs to be a professional marksman to get any sort fo reasonable aim that way. :^p ) 
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Gary Charpentier   Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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A revolver is semi-automatic. Put it this way, a human has to do both on a double action revolver, just the same as he does on a pump action shotgun, he just uses a singe moving part to do both things. On an auto or semi auto the human does only one thing, he fires, springs and recoil and/or gas power from the exploding powder do the reloading, human muscle not required. |
JaundicedEye  Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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This is a semi automatic rifle, it can accept magazines containing up to 25 rounds of ammunition.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_10/22 "The Ruger 10/22 is a series of semi-automatic rifles produced by American firearm manufacturer Sturm, Ruger & Co., chambered for the .22 Long Rifle rimfire cartridge. It uses a patented 10-round rotary magazine, though higher capacity box magazines are also available. The standard Carbine version of the Ruger 10/22 has been in production continuously since 1964,[2] " This is also a semi-automatic rifle, with the same caliber. (.22) it also can accept magazines containing up to 25 rounds of ammunition. [edit] example photo changed for better comparison.  The difference? Technically none but the AR looks scary so it should be banned. I own one of each and enjoy target shooting with the AR more than the Ruger as it's more accurate and has no perceptible recoil (which probably contributes to the accuracy). The reason a person would want a weapon capable of 25 or 30 rounds of fire without reloading are myriad, AND no one's business except the person in question. The FACT is both firearms are available to any AMERICAN CITIZEN who can pass a background check and the 2nd Amendment states that is their RIGHT............PERIOD.  "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Wiggo  Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 
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Abortion tools for hypocrites. |
betreger  Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66
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The reason a person would want a weapon capable of 25 or 30 rounds of fire without reloading are myriad, AND no one's business except the person in question. Those work really well in concerts and schools. |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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The reason a person would want a weapon capable of 25 or 30 rounds of fire without reloading are myriad, AND no one's business except the person in question. Why so few? Don't you want to do a couple thousand without reloading? Or have you just unloaded in your foot and said there should be a limit, and now we are just arguing over the number? |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489
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As I said somewhere else. But stupidity must be pointed out to those that post it. ;-) Cheers. |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0
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The difference? Technically none but the AR looks scary so it should be banned.I like the Ruger. Looks like an old bolt action Mauser:) However our elks in the forest however don't like them. Or our bears. The only two persons that have been killed here by a bear attack in about 100 years wore a rifle. Ruger Mini 14  For some odd reason the AR 15 is called an assualt rifle but Ruger Mini 14 not. Anders Breivik used a Ruger Mini 14 in Utöya, Norway killing 69 kids in less then an hour. In the US the AR-15 is more "populary" maybe because it looks cooler. AR 15  Hmm... I wonder if you can attach a bump stock to a Ruger Mini... Needless to say, those weapon are built to kill, not very suitable for self defense. |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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The reason a person would want a weapon capable of 25 or 30 rounds of fire without reloading are myriad, AND no one's business except the person in question.Ah but it is the business of all, especially non-Americans who study there, those who visit either as tourists or business. They expect to arrive home alive. The FACT is both firearms are available to any AMERICAN CITIZEN who can pass a background check and the 2nd Amendment states that is their RIGHT............PERIOD.We know. Funny thing though, those background checks fail when subject is treated for mental health issues & all because Yanks love the 2nd. Myriad reasons? You're not a relative of Roy Cohn by any chance? |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 
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Of course the US gun policy is of interest to everybody outside of the US. Because there is excessive illegal export of firearms to other countries. According to data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 73,684 firearms seized in Mexico and traced from 2009 to 2014 originated in the United States, over half of which were long guns. They amounted to over 70% of all gun seizures in Mexico. And about 20% of all guns seized in Brazil from 2014 to the end of 2017 were illegal US exports. These are the traceable firearms, but probably the biggest export is gun parts without serial numbers that can easily be exported and then assembled into complete guns at the destination. It has been estimated that about half of all US gun dealers would go out of business if the illegal export of firearms and parts could be stopped. |
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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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It has been estimated that about half of all US gun dealers would go out of business if the illegal export of firearms and parts could be stopped. ROLL ON FLOOR LAUGH MY ASS OFF! And if a frog had wings it wouldn't beat it's butt against the ground...... More Uber Liberal 'screams at the sky'......... If visitors don't feel safe in the US the answer is again very simple .........DON'T COME HERE........... And if it's so dangerous WHY DO YOU WANT TO COME HERE? .............AND why do the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS risk jail and their very lives to get here, and then try desperately to remain in a country SO DANGEROUS? As usual Uber Liberal BS.......will out. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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If visitors don't feel safe in the US the answer is again very simpleBetter ask those questions of your lord & master |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67
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It has been estimated that about half of all US gun dealers would go out of business if the illegal export of firearms and parts could be stopped. Who said anything about visiting the US? I take it then that you don't have any objections to firearms being illegally exported to Mexico that are used by the gangs there to control the drugs and illegal immigrant trades into the US. |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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So you are more than happy to see sad issues like this return?  Who was it that said "A picture is better than a thousand words?" |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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For a "so-called" intellectual, you're slipping :-) |
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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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So you are more than happy to see sad issues like this return?Sorry, you lost me on this flight of lunacy.......exactly WHAT does the staged photo have to do with the Second Amendment? Other tan depicting a Dim AG seeking publicity. An AG who by the way was killed for supporting a free Israel. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
M5WJF  Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 147 Credit: 6,484,657 RAC: 6
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To be clear, an AR style rifle as sold to civilians is NOT a military grade weapon, for many reasons. . Actually, until the mid 1980's the British Army used Semi-Auto NATO 7.62 FN FAL Rifles as their personal weapon, with 20 round magazines, and in 1982 fought Argentines who had the fully automatic version of the same rifle, in the same calibre. So a Semi-Auto is a military grade weapon, and even the AR15 can be supplied in 7.62/.308. 
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