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Message 1920770 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 0:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 1920760.  

Wanting guns is a Mental Health issue.
Owning guns is a Mental Heath issue.
Guns are generally a Mental Health issue.
Guns are never part of a Healthy Society.

I wouldn't go that far as I have 2 rifles myself, a .177 air rifle and a .22mag 5 shot bolt action rifle, and they're regularly used to eliminate feral pests around here (but I do live out in the sticks and I do get regular meals from them too).

I would replace "guns" with "rapid firing weapons". ;-)

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Message 1920771 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 0:35:52 UTC - in response to Message 1920764.  
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Unfortunately it's not a Utopian world. Every nation has need of its armed forces. So the question arises:
Do civilians really need to bear/own powerful weapons as seen on the streets of America?

Most civilians in the USA would say it is their Individual Right.

In trying to come up with solutions for a culture that is different from yours. Any realistic proposal you may have, must acknowledge the difference.

I wouldn't go that far as I have 2 rifles myself, a .177 air rifle and a .22mag 5 shot bolt action rifle, and they're regularly used to eliminate feral pests around here (but I do live out in the sticks and I do get regular meals from them too).

I would replace "guns" with "rapid firing weapons".

Again... Just a personal opinion. Not shared by a majority in another country.
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Message 1920795 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 2:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 1920728.  

So... Yet more USA massacres due to the misuse of guns...

And yet there is STILL talk and Marketing to add yet more guns into the fire of stupidity!

There is a far better way to go...

Remove the availability of guns.

Is that not the OBVIOUS solution?

Only in Amerika?
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Message 1920797 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 2:39:41 UTC - in response to Message 1920795.  

So... Yet more USA massacres due to the misuse of guns...

And yet there is STILL talk and Marketing to add yet more guns into the fire of stupidity!

There is a far better way to go...

Remove the availability of guns.

Is that not the OBVIOUS solution?

Only in Amerika?
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The USA has a different culture than yours and a different foundation of laws.

A non understanding of these differences, or a refusal to acknowledge the differences, as with any other foreign culture in this diverse world. Is not helpful.
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Message 1920798 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 2:55:44 UTC

It's more than just students now fighting back against the NRA.

One By One, Companies Cut Ties With The NRA.

As a groundswell grows against the National Rifle Association in the aftermath of last week's school massacre in Parkland, Fla., several businesses say they are ending their partnerships with the gun advocacy group.

The brands — ranging from insurance companies to rental cars — all announced their decisions on Twitter, many in direct response to tweets demanding change coalesced under the trending hashtag #boycottNRA.
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Message 1920800 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 3:05:18 UTC

Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
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Message 1920802 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 3:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 1920800.  

Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
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They were out gunned and they knew it.

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Message 1920812 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 3:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 1920729.  

Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed.

That is the real problem. I have read that the number of people with mental health issues is 20,000,000. If correct, or 'just' millions.

If we cannot with 100% certainty determine who are the very few who would actually be a threat to many. Do we declare all those with mental health issues as potential threats to our kids?

Remember Cruz was under the treatment of a mental health counselor and after a visit to his home. Was deemed not to be dangerous.

I assume that number is the total of all the people having mental health problems now, today, or at least the average number/day.
But who and when do you restrict gun ownership to, when at least a third of all people suffer some form of mental health issues before old age.
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Message 1920813 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 3:58:33 UTC - in response to Message 1920802.  

Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
Video.

They were out gunned and they knew it.

Cheers.

If now the US police force are scared and doesn't act, how can anybody think that arming school teachers is a good idea?
Oh. Trump and NRA does:(
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Message 1920819 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 4:22:06 UTC - in response to Message 1920813.  

Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
Video.

They were out gunned and they knew it.

Cheers.

If now the US police force are scared and doesn't act, how can anybody think that arming school teachers is a good idea?
Oh. Trump and NRA does:(

If some teachers are armed and charge off to tackle the gunman, what happens a few minutes later when the police arrive and storm the building. How will they differentiate between teachers and gunmen.

You only need to search for news about off duty police in civvies shot by their colleagues. That's right folks it is difficult to recognise who are friends in stressful situations.

I suppose you could enforce armed teachers to wear a uniform, but wouldn't that just be the same as putting a target on their chest front and back.
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Message 1920820 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 4:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 1920819.  

Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
Video.

They were out gunned and they knew it.

Cheers.

If now the US police force are scared and doesn't act, how can anybody think that arming school teachers is a good idea?
Oh. Trump and NRA does:(

If some teachers are armed and charge off to tackle the gunman, what happens a few minutes later when the police arrive and storm the building. How will they differentiate between teachers and gunmen.

You only need to search for news about off duty police in civvies shot by their colleagues. That's right folks it is difficult to recognise who are friends in stressful situations.

I suppose you could enforce armed teachers to wear a uniform, but wouldn't that just be the same as putting a target on their chest front and back.

And what if a teacher gets so pissed off with their class that they snap use that gun on the class?

Stupid thinking to say the least.

No cheers for stupidity.
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Message 1920821 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 4:33:47 UTC - in response to Message 1920797.  

The USA has a different culture than yours and a different foundation of laws.

A non understanding of these differences, or a refusal to acknowledge the differences, as with any other foreign culture in this diverse world. Is not helpful.

Regardless, our cultural differences are not pragmatic. As a society we are saying screw the results this is what we believe. The belief is not founded in in reality but so what? Religions are founded on belief as is the gun culture.
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Message 1920844 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 8:48:21 UTC

IMHO... har

OH! but what if... Out gunned... har...

The Cops were puzzies... FNG at it's finest if you have a clue... har!

Sorry no sympathy.

SF, USMC RVN '69-'70.

They will have to live with the 'possible' 17 deaths from their inaction.

PSTD will be at it's finest...

KARMA is a bitch.
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Message 1920849 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 11:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 1920797.  

The USA has a different culture than yours and a different foundation of laws.

A non understanding of these differences, or a refusal to acknowledge the differences, as with any other foreign culture in this diverse world. Is not helpful.
That's the most asinine post you've made to date. It'll soon be the 243rd anniversary of a famous speech.

"Give me liberty, or give me death!" is a quotation attributed to Patrick Henry from a speech he made to the Second Virginia Convention on March 23, 1775, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia."

At that convention were two delegates who went on to become President - Thomas Jefferson & George Washington.

With the total of children/students murdered to date by SAW's what are the odds that some may have become...
President
Nobel Prize winner
Famed scientist

...and greatly enhanced both your culture & future of America?

The issue is there are too many old pharts out there who don't care for kids or their country's future but just wish to retain what they have with the opportunity to gain more. They love "Give me Liberty or give me Death". Yes, their liberty to continue their lifestyles & death for others as long as it isn't theirs!
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Message 1920850 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 11:57:38 UTC - in response to Message 1920849.  

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Message 1920855 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 12:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 1920802.  
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Sickening if true!..

FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars” instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed.
Video.

They were out gunned and they knew it.

Cheers.

Just another incorrect allegation without looking up the facts.

(CNN) — When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were also outside the school and had not entered.

With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.

Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff’s deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It’s unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/report-coral-springs-police-upset-at-some-broward-deputies-for-not-entering-school/

Yes, the Officers who arrived after the first four, despite possibly being "out gunned", placed their lives on the line to stop the shooter.

Why the three who arrived after the first didn't take any action and didn't enter the building has many explanations.

Before making any allegations from a foundation of ignorance of the facts. The exact timeline of the arrival of 'The Three' and then the arrival of those who entered. Would have to be known to make any determination.
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Message 1920856 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 12:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 1920855.  

Firemen have no problems entering a burning building. Are you inferring that your police are piss poor in that respect?
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Message 1920858 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 13:04:02 UTC - in response to Message 1920856.  
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Firemen have no problems entering a burning building. Are you inferring that your police are piss poor in that respect?

Hi Sirius B... Read the entire post before...

(CNN) — When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were also outside the school and had not entered.

With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.

Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff’s deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It’s unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/report-coral-springs-police-upset-at-some-broward-deputies-for-not-entering-school/

Yes, the Officers who arrived after the first four, despite possibly being "out gunned", placed their lives on the line to stop the shooter.

Why the three who arrived after the first didn't take any action and didn't enter the building has many explanations.

Before making any allegations from a foundation of ignorance of the facts. The exact timeline of the arrival of 'The Three' and then the arrival of those who entered. Would have to be known to make any determination.
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Message 1920860 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 13:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 1920858.  

Before making any allegations from a foundation of ignorance of the facts. The exact timeline of the arrival of 'The Three' and then the arrival of those who entered. Would have to be known to make any determination.
Isn't the duty of the police to "Protect & Serve the community"?
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Message 1920861 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 13:10:59 UTC - in response to Message 1920860.  

Before making any allegations from a foundation of ignorance of the facts. The exact timeline of the arrival of 'The Three' and then the arrival of those who entered. Would have to be known to make any determination.
Isn't the duty of the police to "Protect & Serve the community"?

Sorry, the attack against the many, because of the actions of a few. Is what humanity has been fighting to stop,
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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