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Message 1920660 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 15:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1920652.  

One solution would be a controlled entry, utilizing TSA Procedures 'light'. Including at least one armed law enforcement officer at the checkpoint and one armed law enforcement officer 'roving' the school.

Who thinks that will stop school shootings?

You can put my vote in the column marked "Never in a month of Sundays".
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Message 1920664 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 16:15:31 UTC - in response to Message 1920660.  
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One solution would be a controlled entry, utilizing TSA Procedures 'light'. Including at least one armed law enforcement officer at the checkpoint and one armed law enforcement officer 'roving' the school.

Who thinks that will stop school shootings?

You can put my vote in the column marked "Never in a month of Sundays".

Thank you. I was wondering if anyone would understand that the above as with arming teachers...

Yes, perhaps in certain situations arming teachers, locking down, as in Airports, all our schools, deeming 20 million Americans diagnosed with mental health problems as potentially dangerous to our kids, etc. might stop of couple of mass murdering situations, but at what price?

Since any belief that the Constitution of the USA will be... Or that the American belief in an Individual's Right to Keep and Bear Arms will soon disappear.

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Message 1920668 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 16:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 1920664.  
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I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed.
I just cannot think of any reason why a civilian would need a semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines.

And anybody who thinks just owning a handgun will protect them, without regular training and practice lives in "cloud cuckoo land".
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Message 1920675 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 16:44:24 UTC - in response to Message 1920668.  

I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed.
I just cannot think of any reason why a civilian would need a semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines.

And anybody who thinks just owning a handgun will protect them, without regular training and practice lives in "cloud cuckoo land".

Actually the problem is 50 states disregard the word "Militia." There are supposed to be 50 Militia's but there are zero. Absent any, the second becomes a personal right.

Fastest gun control is to form those 50 militia's and state they are all the second applies to in their state. Now the NRA would have 51 battles and they would have to win all of them.
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Message 1920676 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 16:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1920668.  

I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed.
I just cannot think of any reason why a civilian would need a semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines.

And anybody who thinks just owning a handgun will protect them, without regular training and practice lives in "cloud cuckoo land".

SCOTUS has affirmed that Militia is not related to a Individual's Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Your personal belief regarding Semi-Automatic weapons. Is just that, a personal belief which the Governments inside the USA cannot stop selling to, nor confiscate from individuals. Excepting convicted felons and or those deemed as a immediate threat to others.

Hopefully, the Laws already 'on the books' will be enforced and additional allowed constitutional measures enacted.
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Message 1920680 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1920676.  

Machine guns are pretty much banned and sawed off shotguns are. So what's the problem with semiautomatics, the NRA?
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Message 1920681 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1920676.  

I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed.
I just cannot think of any reason why a civilian would need a semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines.

And anybody who thinks just owning a handgun will protect them, without regular training and practice lives in "cloud cuckoo land".

SCOTUS has affirmed that Militia is not related to a Individual's Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
SCOTUS has been known to change rulings occasionally


Your personal belief regarding Semi-Automatic weapons. Is just that, a personal belief which the Governments inside the USA cannot stop selling to, nor confiscate from individuals. Excepting convicted felons and or those deemed as a immediate threat to others.

I said assault type rifle. I deliberately didn't say weapons because most handguns, these days, are semi-auto.[/quote]

Hopefully, the Laws already 'on the books' will be enforced and additional allowed constitutional measures enacted.[/quote]
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Message 1920682 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:05:10 UTC - in response to Message 1920676.  

Hopefully, the Laws already 'on the books' will be enforced and additional allowed constitutional measures enacted.
There are 27 amendments to the constitution, the 1st 10 forming the Bill of Rights with a further 17 since 1791. Of those 17 there are 16 in force as the 18th was repealed by the 21st. There are 6 non ratified amendments with 4 still waiting as 2 failed in 1982 & 1985.

How did those 17 come about?

As the constitution is being used by many 2nd amendment fanatics, all it will take is a voice to start the ball rolling regarding the banning of SAW's.

The interesting thing here is that the constitution won't need amending as there is one already on the books & part of the Bill of Rights.

The 9th & what it means:
"Says that the Constitution did not include every right that Americans have.
If rights were not listed in the Constitution, that does not mean that Americans do not have those rights."

Just one parent to rise up & demand their rights under the 9th to have their children attend school without being massacred by weapons that should not be in the hands of civilians.

Personally I think if people want SAW's I suggest using Stanley, they have a nice range :-)

Just waiting for the pseudo legal beagles to blow their horns on this
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Message 1920683 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:16:19 UTC - in response to Message 1920681.  

Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed.
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Message 1920684 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 1920680.  

Machine guns are pretty much banned and sawed off shotguns are. So what's the problem with semiautomatics, the NRA?

Not banned at all. Just need a real background check and you too can own artillery.
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Message 1920685 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 17:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 1920683.  

Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed.

Noted, but would there have been much difference if he had used a 10 shot revolver.
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Message 1920728 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 21:14:41 UTC

So... Yet more USA massacres due to the misuse of guns...

And yet there is STILL talk and Marketing to add yet more guns into the fire of stupidity!

There is a far better way to go...


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Message 1920729 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 21:24:24 UTC - in response to Message 1920683.  

Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed.

That is the real problem. I have read that the number of people with mental health issues is 20,000,000. If correct, or 'just' millions.

If we cannot with 100% certainty determine who are the very few who would actually be a threat to many. Do we declare all those with mental health issues as potential threats to our kids?

Remember Cruz was under the treatment of a mental health counselor and after a visit to his home. Was deemed not to be dangerous.
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Message 1920738 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 22:12:52 UTC - in response to Message 1920729.  

Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed.

That is the real problem. I have read that the number of people with mental health issues is 20,000,000. If correct, or 'just' millions.

If we cannot with 100% certainty determine who are the very few who would actually be a threat to many. Do we declare all those with mental health issues as potential threats to our kids?

Huh, what does threat to kids have to do with the second amendment? Mental cases should lose their second amendment right until we can sort out who will or won't pose danger. We can't continue our policy of mass murders.
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Message 1920752 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 22:42:26 UTC - in response to Message 1920738.  

Gary that will not bar the undiagnosed.
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Message 1920759 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 23:24:09 UTC

In the media both print & broadcast, social media, Internet forums, bars, clubs, workplaces etc, one word is constantly bandied about.

RIGHTS.

It cannot be denied, everyone has rights. However, there is one word I have not seen in all the reports on any of the above. It is a word just as important as Rights.

That word is:

RESPONSIBILITIES.

Too many have failed to realise that said rights were hard won. Too many want rights without the responsibilities that those rights confer on one.

I find this the best report on the current tragedy.

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Message 1920760 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 23:31:15 UTC

Wanting guns is a Mental Health issue.
Owning guns is a Mental Heath issue.
Guns are generally a Mental Health issue.
Guns are never part of a Healthy Society.
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Message 1920764 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 23:47:07 UTC - in response to Message 1920760.  

Unfortunately it's not a Utopian world. Every nation has need of its armed forces. So the question arises:
Do civilians really need to bear/own powerful weapons as seen on the streets of America?
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Message 1920766 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 0:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 1920752.  

Gary that will not bar the undiagnosed.

You want perfect, talk to your deity.
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Message 1920769 - Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 0:31:39 UTC - in response to Message 1920764.  

Unfortunately it's not a Utopian world. Every nation has need of its armed forces. So the question arises:
Do civilians really need to bear/own powerful weapons as seen on the streets of America?

Of course not.
And why are bump stocks and magazines with 100 rounds needed by civilians.
And weapons of any kind as a protection to counter for instance mass shootings is totally useless to a civilian.
Probably only more innocent people will be killed.
Teachers are also civilians and to arm them is crazy.
How will all these weapon be protected from students eager to get a hold of them?

Btw. I saw a mass shooting on TV today.
It was from Pyeongchang.
Sweden shot the best and the US came only in 6th place:)
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