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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed. I just cannot think of any reason why a civilian would need a semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines. And anybody who thinks just owning a handgun will protect them, without regular training and practice lives in "cloud cuckoo land". |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed. Actually the problem is 50 states disregard the word "Militia." There are supposed to be 50 Militia's but there are zero. Absent any, the second becomes a personal right. Fastest gun control is to form those 50 militia's and state they are all the second applies to in their state. Now the NRA would have 51 battles and they would have to win all of them. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Machine guns are pretty much banned and sawed off shotguns are. So what's the problem with semiautomatics, the NRA? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
SCOTUS has been known to change rulings occasionallyI am not against Americans that think the 2nd is carved in stone. What I do disagree with, is the almost disregarded word "Militia" and the type of weapons allowed.
I said assault type rifle. I deliberately didn't say weapons because most handguns, these days, are semi-auto.[/quote] Hopefully, the Laws already 'on the books' will be enforced and additional allowed constitutional measures enacted.[/quote] |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Hopefully, the Laws already 'on the books' will be enforced and additional allowed constitutional measures enacted.There are 27 amendments to the constitution, the 1st 10 forming the Bill of Rights with a further 17 since 1791. Of those 17 there are 16 in force as the 18th was repealed by the 21st. There are 6 non ratified amendments with 4 still waiting as 2 failed in 1982 & 1985. How did those 17 come about? As the constitution is being used by many 2nd amendment fanatics, all it will take is a voice to start the ball rolling regarding the banning of SAW's. The interesting thing here is that the constitution won't need amending as there is one already on the books & part of the Bill of Rights. The 9th & what it means: "Says that the Constitution did not include every right that Americans have. If rights were not listed in the Constitution, that does not mean that Americans do not have those rights." Just one parent to rise up & demand their rights under the 9th to have their children attend school without being massacred by weapons that should not be in the hands of civilians. Personally I think if people want SAW's I suggest using Stanley, they have a nice range :-) Just waiting for the pseudo legal beagles to blow their horns on this |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Machine guns are pretty much banned and sawed off shotguns are. So what's the problem with semiautomatics, the NRA? Not banned at all. Just need a real background check and you too can own artillery. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed. Noted, but would there have been much difference if he had used a 10 shot revolver. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
So... Yet more USA massacres due to the misuse of guns... And yet there is STILL talk and Marketing to add yet more guns into the fire of stupidity! There is a far better way to go... Only in Amerika... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Just FYI: The Virginia Tech. massacre ended up with almost twice as many dead (32 and 17 wounded) and was committed with just a pair of semi-automatic pistols. The shooter was also declared mentally ill beforehand, but was not committed. Huh, what does threat to kids have to do with the second amendment? Mental cases should lose their second amendment right until we can sort out who will or won't pose danger. We can't continue our policy of mass murders. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Gary that will not bar the undiagnosed. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
In the media both print & broadcast, social media, Internet forums, bars, clubs, workplaces etc, one word is constantly bandied about. RIGHTS. It cannot be denied, everyone has rights. However, there is one word I have not seen in all the reports on any of the above. It is a word just as important as Rights. That word is: RESPONSIBILITIES. Too many have failed to realise that said rights were hard won. Too many want rights without the responsibilities that those rights confer on one. I find this the best report on the current tragedy. IJR |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Unfortunately it's not a Utopian world. Every nation has need of its armed forces. So the question arises: Do civilians really need to bear/own powerful weapons as seen on the streets of America? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary that will not bar the undiagnosed. You want perfect, talk to your deity. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Unfortunately it's not a Utopian world. Every nation has need of its armed forces. So the question arises: Of course not. And why are bump stocks and magazines with 100 rounds needed by civilians. And weapons of any kind as a protection to counter for instance mass shootings is totally useless to a civilian. Probably only more innocent people will be killed. Teachers are also civilians and to arm them is crazy. How will all these weapon be protected from students eager to get a hold of them? Btw. I saw a mass shooting on TV today. It was from Pyeongchang. Sweden shot the best and the US came only in 6th place:) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Wanting guns is a Mental Health issue. I wouldn't go that far as I have 2 rifles myself, a .177 air rifle and a .22mag 5 shot bolt action rifle, and they're regularly used to eliminate feral pests around here (but I do live out in the sticks and I do get regular meals from them too). I would replace "guns" with "rapid firing weapons". ;-) Cheers. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
So... Yet more USA massacres due to the misuse of guns... Remove the availability of guns. Is that not the OBVIOUS solution? Only in Amerika? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
It's more than just students now fighting back against the NRA. One By One, Companies Cut Ties With The NRA. As a groundswell grows against the National Rifle Association in the aftermath of last week's school massacre in Parkland, Fla., several businesses say they are ending their partnerships with the gun advocacy group.Cheers. |
Stargate (SA) Send message Joined: 4 Mar 10 Posts: 1854 Credit: 2,258,721 RAC: 0 |
Sickening if true!.. FOUR sheriff’s deputies “hid behind cars†instead of storming the Parkland high school while an ex-student killed 17 people inside, it has been revealed. Video. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Sickening if true!.. They were out gunned and they knew it. Cheers. |
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