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Message 1920539 - Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 23:17:27 UTC

Informing those who are ignorant of our Constitution, SCOTUS decisions, legal differences among our States and cultural beliefs is...

Is a cop out statement.

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Message 1920541 - Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 23:27:50 UTC - in response to Message 1920521.  

Inside the USA. The Constitution, Law and Political Realities, are central to this discussion.
Foreign wishes and beliefs, which are welcomed, will have no effect inside the USA.
Yep we know, hence the dismal 2 months of 2018 has shown.
What is needed is a clarification of your 2nd amendment rather that drastic changes.
2 words are all that needs clarifying: Bear Arms.
A rifle or handgun is an arm.
The right to have both is the right to bear arms. Anything else should be in the realm of law enforcement/military & that should be stated. Problem resolved.
Easy when common sense prevails..

Since most Americans believe in "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" includes handguns, shotguns and semi-automatic rifles.
I do understand that non-americans do not understand that fact.
BTW: In the Liberal and Democrat controlled State of Massachuchets.
Under certain circumstances, however, minors may possess weapons. Persons “more than 14 but less than 18 years of age” may apply for a Firearm Identification Card (“FID”) if the applicant submits a certificate from his or her parent or guardian granting the applicant permission to apply for a FID. A FID will not issue to a minor until he or she reaches 15 years of age. This exception allows persons 15 years of age and older to possess rifles and shotguns.
See the difference in our cultures and beliefs?

See the difference in our cultures and beliefs?
I don't.
Both the US and Sweden has about the same weapon laws.
You only need to be 18 to own or possess a weapon and pass the tests that you are qualified.
Yes and semi-automatic rifles like the Ruger 14 and AR-15 are legal and used here as well.
The only difference is that in the US it's too easy and cheap to get a weapon and that so many use them to kill people and even kids!
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Message 1920553 - Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 23:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 1920541.  

Both the US and Sweden has about the same weapon laws.
You only need to be 18 to own or possess a weapon and pass the tests that you are qualified.
Yes and semi-automatic rifles like the Ruger 14 and AR-15 are legal and used here as well.
The only difference is that in the US it's too easy and cheap to get a weapon and that so many use them to kill people and even kids!

Here no tests for qualification. Hence the mass murders of innocents.
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Message 1920557 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 0:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 1920554.  

What 'qualifications' would have stopped Cruz:

According to the paper, DCF's investigation was completed that Nov. 12. The agency concluded that Cruz was receiving adequate care from a mental health counsellor and was attending school.

"Henderson came out and assessed [Cruz] found him to be stable enough not to be hospitalized," the DCF report said.
No qualifications would have stopped it. However the part of your quote that I emboldened is reason enough to ensure that he had no access to weapons.

OH WAIT...
...that would take away one of his constitutional rights.

Sheesh, what ever happened to common sense!
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Message 1920564 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 0:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 1920547.  

In the USA, you have no need for permission to own a gun. It is your Right.

In the US you need a licence to every gun you own just as in Sweden. Right?
In Florida, anyone excepting a convicted felon may carry a loaded handgun concealed in their car.

A concealed gun is not a difference to an open gun. Right?
And what do you mean by "Your Right"?
Well in Sweden we also have the Right to protect ourself.
Even using guns to do so if necessary.
But do you know what? We don't have to go that far because that situation almost never happens.
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Message 1920570 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1920517.  

Inside the USA. The Constitution, Law and Political Realities, are central to this discussion.

Obviously the right to life is irrelevant.
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Message 1920573 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:09:43 UTC - in response to Message 1920566.  

In the USA, you have no need for permission to own a gun. It is your Right.

In the US you need a licence to every gun you own just as in Sweden. Right?
In Florida, anyone excepting a convicted felon may carry a loaded handgun concealed in their car.

A concealed gun is not a difference to an open gun. Right?
And what do you mean by "Your Right"?
Well in Sweden we also have the Right to protect ourself.
Even using guns to do so if necessary.
But do you know what? We don't have to go that far because that situation almost never happens.

In the USA we not only have the Right to protect ourselves, but also a Right to own a rifle and shotgun.. In most States that also includes handguns.
In Sweden, how many can carry a concealed loaded handgun in public. In Florida it is over 850,000.
In Texas, people are able to openly carry handguns in the same places that allow concealed carry with some exceptions.
In Sweden, are you allowed to Open Carry a loaded handgun.?

Hehe:)
I think you already know the answer.
But I tell you anyway.
The concepts of Open Carry and Concealed weapons doesn't exist here.
Why should it? Because someone has a serious phobia of seeing a gun. Give me a break!
Loaded guns in public is not legal unless you are a police or a military on duty.
Also when transporting guns in public that weapon have to be dissassembled and not loaded of course.
Quite simple really.
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Message 1920574 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:16:26 UTC

Sheriff’s Deputy Resigns to Avoid Suspension After Failing to Engage Florida School Gunman
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Message 1920576 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 1920575.  

The concepts of Open Carry and Concealed weapons doesn't exist here.
Why should it? Because someone has a serious phobia of seeing a gun. Give me a break!
Loaded guns in public is not legal unless you are a police or a military on duty.
Also when transporting guns in public that weapon have to be dissassembled and not loaded of course.
Quite simple really.

As I have observed many times. The USA, for good and bad, is a Cowboy Culture.
Why that should be, because we are a nation of immigrants coming from countries who do not have a Cowboy Culture. Is a good question.
Maybe it's in the air :)

Aaah. I love the smell of cow dung in the morning:)
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Message 1920579 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:32:26 UTC - in response to Message 1920572.  

Interesting accusation. But doesn't address our Constitution and political realities.

Sadly correct.
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Message 1920580 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:39:16 UTC - in response to Message 1920576.  

Aaah. I love the smell of cow dung in the morning:)

Where I live we have more cowboys than cows.
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Message 1920583 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 1:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 1920580.  
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Aaah. I love the smell of cow dung in the morning:)

Where I live we have more cowboys than cows.

LOL.
I have been a cowboy as well.
When I was a boy of course:)
Still missing Diana though that had to be put down by a gun after an accident that I was part of...
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Message 1920587 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 2:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 1920580.  

Aaah. I love the smell of cow dung in the morning:)

Where I live we have more cowboys than cows.

Yep! Concrete Cowboys they is pilgrim. har...
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Message 1920592 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 2:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 1920577.  

Sheriff’s Deputy Resigns to Avoid Suspension After Failing to Engage Florida School Gunman
Take your pick:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Sheriff%E2%80%99s+Deputy+Resigns+to+Avoid+Suspension+After+Failing+to+Engage+Florida+School+Gunman&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR3N&pc=EUPP_

"Israel told reporters the shooting lasted six minutes, and that Peterson arrived at the freshman building about 90 seconds after the first shots were fired, then lingered outside for at least four minutes."

Having been in situations where there was an 'active' shooter. The only delay (a few seconds) is to radio what you hear or observe and that you are entering to stop the shooter.

I feel sick to my stomach reading what this supposed 'Deputy' didn't do in an attempt to save lives.

Edit: "Peterson will be eligible for retirement following his resignation."

My disgust is even greater.

Just another typical cop doing a typical job. Remember the union preaches that officer safety is the paramount importance and all other things are secondary. He had to wait for a vest. He figured out this time his union couldn't save his sorry Rump and his morals kicked in, but too late.

Perception is everything.

In the military they call that desertion under fire
"Any member of the armed forces who— quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service
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Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death"
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Message 1920593 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 2:33:27 UTC

The armed police officer stationed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, reportedly never set foot inside the school during the deadly shooting last Wednesday.
"Scot Peterson was absolutely on campus through this entire event. He was armed. He was in uniform," said Sheriff Scott Israel in a Thursday press conference. "After seeing video, witness statements and Scot Peterson's very own statement, I decided this morning to suspend [him] without pay, pending an internal investigation."
So how does anyone really think that arming teachers is a good idea when the police even doesn't dare/care to do their duty?
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Message 1920614 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 5:21:40 UTC

I wonder what the NRA will do if 50 million students descend on their offices voicing their displeasure, shoot them?
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Message 1920617 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 6:24:46 UTC - in response to Message 1920614.  

I wonder what the NRA will do if 50 million students descend on their offices voicing their displeasure, shoot them?

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Message 1920623 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 11:09:46 UTC

NRA Spokeswoman Dana Loesch Sparks Outrage.

Another confirmed idiot.

Go kids.
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Message 1920648 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 14:54:40 UTC

Arming teachers is a very bad idea as noted.
https://twitter.com/TimfromDa70s/status/966764149408653312
Chris Kyle the greatest american sniper in the american military history was shot and killed when confronted by a "crazy guy" with a gun.
So we just have to train the teachers a lil bit better than Chris Kyle.
Even Russia's state TV discussed Trump's proposal to arm teachers, says that most of his ideas are unorthodox, but this one is completely beyond reason.
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Message 1920660 - Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 15:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1920652.  

One solution would be a controlled entry, utilizing TSA Procedures 'light'. Including at least one armed law enforcement officer at the checkpoint and one armed law enforcement officer 'roving' the school.

Who thinks that will stop school shootings?

You can put my vote in the column marked "Never in a month of Sundays".
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