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Message 1919632 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 3:07:35 UTC - in response to Message 1919615.  

I think part of the problem is too many people having kids who don't have the emotional or financial abilities to do so. Easy access to guns doesn't help.

That's part of the problem and addressing any part of of it is a positive step.
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Message 1919643 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 4:30:12 UTC - in response to Message 1919629.  
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Guns are just too cheap.

They are. In the US in particularly.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/samma-vapen-som-skolskytten-hade-saljs-pa-vapenmassa-i-florida

Guns, rifles and ammunition are for sale at a gun fair in Miami. A couple of miles away, 17 people are shot dead this week. Mike Vallone buys a similar weapon as the shooter had, an AR-15 semi-automatic gun .
Why does a 55-year-old man who already has about 50 weapons need another one?
- Because I choose to own them. It is a right in the Constitution and I choose to use that right, "he says.
The media equate the weapon with evil, considers Mike Vallone. He holds the 600-dollar gun, a price equivalent to about 4,700 SEK.
- This weapon does nothing by itself. It takes a man to take the gun, target it to someone and shoot, he says.
- It's not something for everyone, I really agree with that. Everyone has to be checked. It's done right now, Vallone says, pointing to the vendor who controls Vallone's background in his computer.
Florida's gun fair, which tours around all the major cities of the state, opened in Miami on Saturday. At the same time, students who survived the school shooting in Parkland held an anti-weapon demonstration in nearby Fort Lauderdale

Mike Vallone says it takes a man to use a gun.
Nonsense. Even kids knows how to target a gun to someone and shoot.
They can even afford to pay for the gun!
Heck. Even a first-person shooter computer game cost the twice and more!
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Message 1919646 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 5:14:01 UTC

Can You Protect Yourself with Hands; Feet; Baseball Bat; Knife; Dog; Strobe Lights; Screaming; Complying; Calming Words; Disarming Personality?

Didn't think so.

Scenario Invasions are Vast & Complex.

You All Keep TELLING US How to Do It. We Appreciate Your VAST KNOWLEDGE.

Weapons Confiscation Only Works on PLANET YAWN; PLANET SIGH; and Other Off-World UTOPIAS.

Playing RUSSIAN Roulette on PLANET Yap

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Message 1919654 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 5:39:19 UTC

The US government could reduce the number of guns while maintaining 2nd amendment rights.

Guns are just too cheap.

a. Buy out gun manufacturers at fair market value with the understanding that new gun production, and purchases will be limited.
b. Buy up guns. brought in by citizens, at fair market value and destroy them.

It would take a few years to make significant change but it might work, and is more palatable than confiscation.

That's pretty much what happened over here. Certain categories of firearms were banned outright and bought back by the Gov., in fact I was paid back 10 times or more for them than what I paid for them (but it did cure a very fast growing problem here).

I think part of the problem is too many people having kids who don't have the emotional or financial abilities to do so. Easy access to guns doesn't help.
Or having parents that love their firearms more than they love their kids (this seems to be a bigger problem than most over there realised).

Or refer to Dull's answer on my earlier question about kids and collateral damage.

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Message 1919656 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 5:44:22 UTC

'Knowing' So Much about this Individual, and 'Knowing' HORRIFIC HARM can be
Caused, Residents had an 'Opportunity' to Fill Streets at KNOWN Individual
House, and STAY There 'PROTESTING', Until their 'KNOWING' Brings About 'ACTION'.
This would be Known as The 'ACT' so Many Now Espouse.


Notice All the PRO-ACTive GRANDSTANDING ACTavists are Doing, AFTER dA fACT.

Where were Their SHAMING MOBILE BILLBOARD Trucks; School Walkouts; and Other ACTivist 'PROTESTs', BEFORE This Tragedy?

Like I said Above. They KNEW for a LONG TIME and NOTHING was Done by COMMUNITY. See Something Say Something Hear Something NO WORKeee.

SO ACTion as DEMONSTRATED AFTER dA HORRIFIC ACT of A LUNATIC is ACTing TOO LATE.

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Message 1919663 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 6:12:40 UTC - in response to Message 1919617.  

I really have been thinking a lot about these shootings, and how the kids get access to guns and why they do what they do. When you come right down to it, I think it's lack of love that drives depressed kids to act out. Broken homes with dysfunctional parents can't supervise kids, and easy access to guns makes a bad situation even worse. Both parents working causes a lot of problems, too. They don't have time for each other, let alone for their kids, and the lack of love hurts everybody. I was spoiled with one parent who worked and one who stayed home and I had a basically idyllic childhood. Would I have become a school shooter if my home life was not as good? I don't think I would have, but my point is, there are many kids neglected out there who are borderline to begin with in how they deal with life, and easy access to guns, either from their parents or friends, is just exacerbating the situation, and making them more likely to act out in a violent way.

How can this be fixed? First of all, we don't need all the material things that we go after. In most cases, both parents don't have to work as long as they can make a reasonable standard of living, but it seems nowadays most people want way more than they can afford, and so inevitably, if there are children involved, the kids suffer from the lack of a solid base at home. I firmly believe in one parent working and one parent staying at home to raise the children right. I think that goes a long way toward helping the marriage stay intact, plus the children get a better quality of life. I'm ok with guns for police and as weapons of war or sport, but not as things that kids turn to as security blankets or to act out their unhappiness with life.

I would gladly give up my right to own a gun. I've never been interested in having one in the first place, but the benefit to me seems very small. If by some unfortunate circumstance I find myself in a situation where I need to use a gun to defend myself, I wouldn't trust my skill or luck to fix things with a gun. And as far as in a group situation at a concert or something similar, I think there's more likelihood I would end up hurting more innocent people. Even a skilled person, in the panic of such a situation, would not likely be able to do much good.

So, what do we do? First of all, I think we need to take a hard look at ourselves and how we live our lives, and whether we want to have children and if we do, I think we need to take that responsibility very seriously. Secondly, I think we all need to let go of guns, and keep that sort of thing to official law enforcement and the army. Using guns for sport isn't really a good idea, and there are so many other things we could do with our time that is much safer and a lot more fun!

You have part of it and many of the effects. The war on drugs is a huge measure though. Kid going to school sees another who sells drugs and see how much profit there is. He also sees the violence in the organized crime behind it. The protection of territories. The kid sees the gang and how they act as a family, something he doesn't have at home. But this kid isn't the one who will go shoot up a school. He may shoot up the neighborhood getting rid of rivals, after he joins the gang, but not the school. The one who shoots up the school is the kid who is relentlessly bullied from the first grade on. He is a bit different, maybe a bit more shy, or a bit clumsy, fat, wears glasses or slow so the kids can pick on him. He watches all the cop shows on TV and sees how a gun solves every problem. Mom and Dad are guilty over the time they aren't spending with him so they buy him everything and give him a big allowance. He gets enough cash together and starts buying weapons to make him feel safe. The bullying continues. Finally he snaps and he uses the gun to make it stop. -- lesson here, weapons don't make you safe, only using them can.

Another part of this is the classroom size. More kids per teacher. Teachers can't find out who is bullying and who is being bullied. Factbook, instagram, twitter, snapchat and the like are making it worse because now it happens in the dark. If you don't know, you can't stop it or address it. Why? The war on drugs. It has taken the funding for schools and diverted it into building and operating prisons to hold the drug criminals.

The war on drugs has also made the citizens lose respect for authority. Police are operating like the gangs they chase now. Catch and steal, er asset forfieture whatever they can get their hands on. The bribes they take. The manufactured evidence to take people's property. Residue being treated the same as a kilo. The law not making sense, so there is no respect for it or for any authority.

There also is the extreme fear put into teachers that they can't be parents. They have no method to discipline the pupils. The kids figure that out real quick. They just keep on bullying and getting bolder doing it. Then they take it outside the school and quickly learn juvenile hall is a cake walk, so you can even get away with murder.

Viral things. The kid wants attention. What better way than the national news. He will plot the biggest school shooting yet. He will finish first at something. He'll be famous. Now you have a school shooter.
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Message 1919664 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 6:12:52 UTC

Now we are getting serious... har

GOP Mega Donor: No More Money Without ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/17/top-gop-donor-no-money-without-assault-weapons-ban

GOP mega donor and real estate developer Al Hoffman Jr. says he will not write another check to Republicans until that pass an “assault weapons” ban.

The New York Times reports that Hoffman made this announcement via an email that he sent to Jeb Bush and Gov. Rick Scott (R), among others. Hoffman was a major contributor to the George W. Bush presidential campaign. He also donated more than $1 million to a PAC supporting Jeb Bush’s failed presidential campaign bid.

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Message 1919669 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 6:44:40 UTC

At least that link can be backed up by more neutral sites (for a change) and that would at least be 1 step towards curbing the idiocy.

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Message 1919695 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 11:31:47 UTC - in response to Message 1919516.  

Your police and military are obviously mentally unstable too.

Love that one shoe fits all logic. har...

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Message 1919701 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 12:03:51 UTC - in response to Message 1919643.  

Guns are just too cheap.

They are. In the US in particularly.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/samma-vapen-som-skolskytten-hade-saljs-pa-vapenmassa-i-florida
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Guns, rifles and ammunition are for sale at a gun fair in Miami. A couple of miles away, 17 people are shot dead this week. Mike Vallone buys a similar weapon as the shooter had, an AR-15 semi-automatic gun .
Why does a 55-year-old man who already has about 50 weapons need another one?
- Because I choose to own them. It is a right in the Constitution and I choose to use that right, "he says.
The media equate the weapon with evil, considers Mike Vallone. He holds the 600-dollar gun, a price equivalent to about 4,700 SEK.
- This weapon does nothing by itself. It takes a man to take the gun, target it to someone and shoot, he says.
- It's not something for everyone, I really agree with that. Everyone has to be checked. It's done right now, Vallone says, pointing to the vendor who controls Vallone's background in his computer.
Florida's gun fair, which tours around all the major cities of the state, opened in Miami on Saturday. At the same time, students who survived the school shooting in Parkland held an anti-weapon demonstration in nearby Fort Lauderdale

Mike Vallone says it takes a man to use a gun.
Nonsense. Even kids knows how to target a gun to someone and shoot.
They can even afford to pay for the gun!
Heck. Even a first-person shooter computer game cost the twice and more!

Now this is something I don't understand. Why would ANYONE have a need to own 50+ guns??? I have 2 guns, a 30cal hunting rifle and a semi-auto 22cal plinker rifle. I have not used either since the 80's and 90's. Why would I need 50 guns? I don't, and I don't see a reason for anyone else to own 50 guns. That is just ridiculous. I would agree that a limit on firearm ownership would be in our best interest.

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Message 1919715 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 15:56:32 UTC

I don't get this.
In the US you can buy a gun when you are 18.
But you cannot buy alcohol until you are 20 or 21!

Why not change the law so you have to be 21 to buy a gun?
Or are is that an infringement of the 2'nd as well?
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Message 1919719 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 16:45:16 UTC - in response to Message 1919715.  

Or are is that an infringement of the 2'nd as well?
17 is the enlistment age for the militia, er military.
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Message 1919748 - Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 20:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 1919715.  

I don't get this.
In the US you can buy a gun when you are 18.
But you cannot buy alcohol until you are 20 or 21!

Why not change the law so you have to be 21 to buy a gun?
Or are is that an infringement of the 2'nd as well?

On this, I would have to agree. If you cannot drink/buy alcohol until 21 then to buy a gun should be the same.

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Message 1919863 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 13:50:59 UTC

& we're only 3/4ths through 2nd month of year

A spokesman for the department said officers do not believe the shooting was random, but would not elaborate.
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Message 1919900 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 16:40:24 UTC - in response to Message 1919863.  

& we're only 3/4ths through 2nd month of year

A spokesman for the department said officers do not believe the shooting was random, but would not elaborate.

Domestic violence is ugly and if not by gun then by hatchet, knife, baseball bat, ...
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Message 1919908 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 18:26:49 UTC

On this, I would have to agree. If you cannot drink/buy alcohol until 21 then to buy a gun should be the same.


WAR. 18 Years Old. Holding and Shooting a GUN at 18 YEARs OLD. WAR

Go to WAR @ 18. Buy a GUN, DRINK ALCOHOL @ 18

Many Many Many 18 Year OLDs Have DIED fO this.

DEMOCRATs are Sending LESS than TEENAGERs Out Into dA Streets to 'PROTEST' 'RALLY' and Otherwise Get 'INVOLVED' and HAVE YOU SEEN A LEFTist 'GET TOGETHER' Recently?

Yeah. VERY VIOLENT.


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Message 1919928 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 20:14:43 UTC

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Message 1919929 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 20:16:24 UTC

Lol... Morning Wiggo :)
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Message 1920171 - Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 7:13:17 UTC
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Well it looks like Trump doesn't want millions of school kids on the steps of the White House and is trying to head it of by offering a small concession.

Donald Trump Directs Justice Department To Take Steps To Ban Bump Stocks.

But it looks like U.S. firearm laws will eventually change as the younger generations look to make sure that it happens sooner rather than later.

Cheers for kids that can see further and have more sense than the old gun loving idiots can or have.
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