You must still be pissed that we stood up to tyranny a couple hundred years ago and won. ;) lol

How goes the war on terror?

You won yet with your bigger guns?

You must still be pissed that we stood up to tyranny a couple hundred years ago and won. ;) lol

And if some of the comments in this thread are to believed then, your excuse is to protect yourself from the Tyranny that replaced it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana

You must still be pissed that we stood up to tyranny a couple hundred years ago and won. ;) lol

And if some of the comments in this thread are to believed then, your excuse is to protect yourself from the Tyranny that replaced it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana

Thomas Jefferson in a Letter to William Stephens Smith (13 November 1787) wrote:

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

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What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Why Chicago?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-south-west-side-shootings-injure-four-including-girl-6-20160719-story.html

At least 14 people were shot in Chicago over 10 hours Tuesday afternoon through early Wednesday, pushing the number of gun victims in the city this year to more than 2,200, including at least 21 children 13 and younger.

Is it the water?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-chicago-lead-pipes-edit-md-20160513-story.html

In Chicago, nearly 80 percent of homes and properties connect with underground water mains via lead-piped service lines. The Tribune reported in February that the city checks just 50 homes for lead contamination in water every three years, the minimum required by the federal government. And it rarely tests in neighborhoods where childhood lead poisoning has emerged as a concern. Those areas include neighborhoods on the South and West sides, where lead poisoning rates are consistently higher than the national average.

Maybe!

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Another club shooting

No mention of the type of weapon used so far.

Another club shooting

No mention of the type of weapon used so far.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FLORIDA_NIGHTCLUB_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-25-11-22-42

A post on Club Blu's Facebook page said there was armed security at the event.

Can't stop criminal drug gangs having turf wars from using Chicago Typewriters. The result of the war on drugs or any kind of prohibition.

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To reduce suicides, look at guns

In 2014, 42,773 Americans killed themselves according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Half did so with guns. That’s not only more than the number of Americans who were killed in mass shootings, it’s more than the number of people who were killed with guns in homicides and accidents combined.

Fifty percent of Americans who commit suicide do so with a gun. In our hypothetical, we assume that figure is just 9 percent — the average level of those four other Western countries. We then assumed the remaining 41 percent would try to commit suicide by other methods, such as suffocation or poisoning. Because none of these methods is as lethal as a gun, fewer people would succeed at committing suicide than if they used firearms. Of course, in reality, it’s possible some people in this 41 percent would not attempt suicide otherwise; we assume they all do to keep our estimate conservative.

We calculate that the total suicide rate would decline by 20 to 38 percent, depending on the alternative methods used.

You just DON'T get it do you?

It doesn't matter if every gun in the galaxy was gone, those who want to kill themselves will find another way to do it. Sheeeees... Drop it already. It AIN'T gonna happen. Guns will always be available for those that want them for whatever reason they want it for. If they cannot get one, they will find other ways to attain whatever goal they want to.

Peace! :)

It is painfully obvious that the one not getting it is you.
Read the article and learn something rather that just posting your mistaken beliefs. Try using some facts if you disagree, and if you do have facts then go and argue them with the Washington Post.

Firearms are deadly and usually quick, especially when used as a suicide device. If they were not so available to these vulnerable people, then they would try one of the other methods, which is what suicidal people in virtually all other countries have to do. As these are not as immediate they more fail or are discovered before death occurs.

Uh-huh. Figures. I do not have to read the article. It is a bunch of liberal crap whether the "facts" are true or not. I am NOT a liberal and do not follow what liberals say.

As I said, you just don't get it. Ban guns and they will still be accessible for those that want to use them for ill. Ban guns and only law abiding citizens will follow the law. Criminals will NOT. Criminals and those that want to "end it all" will get a gun or use whatever means they can to achieve their goals.

Quit reading the liberal crap you find on the Internet!

Peace! :)

As a poster that plays a Vulcan on message boards, I invite you to destory the following logic. I have seen NO ONE address these points, when I have raised them, before. Please ... have at it ... .

Ban guns and only law abiding citizens will follow the law. Criminals will NOT.

You, and others that uses this tired lamestream response, assume that all breakers of the law break all rules and do so all the time, (And since no one is perfect, we must all be guilty of the following.)

Everyone that has ever jaywalked has also run someone over.
Everyone that has smoked weed has used meth.
Everyone that has taken a pack of gum from a convenience store at age 9 grows up to embezzle from the corporation he or she works for as an adult.
Every rapist is a pedophile.

So on and so forth.

This is no attempt at a strawman nor do I think it is a strawman.

I disagree with your quoted claim. The corporation embezzler need not worry about whether he or she's following the gun laws because it's a different type of crime. And there's absolutely no guarantee that, if that person does obtain a gun, that just because he or she breaks rules/laws about embezzlement, he or she will break every other single law he or she can.

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Turn the argument around. Pass a law say that ghost guns must have a tracking number that you can only get after a background check. Now everyone will obey the law and all guns will have a tracking number. Also no one will make a gun who didn't pass a background check. Well, if everyone obeyed the law there would be no crime and hence no gun crime.

Fix the damn mental illness problem!

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Fix the damn mental illness problem!

It might help if we reduce the stigma associated with mental illness so that those whom suffer might be more open to seeking help. Better research into mental illness might help with diagnoses and treatment as well.

Not referring to them as "crazies" would be a good start at reducing stigma. ;)

Sarge is using logic to refute your position, your ideas come from emotion.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/28/thomas-abrahamsen-san-francisco-cop-jailed-for-all/

A San Francisco police officer is facing two felony gun charges for allegedly building and possessing a banned AR-15 rifle.

Officer Thomas Abrahamsen, 50, turned himself in to San Francisco County jail on Tuesday and appeared in court Wednesday afternoon, ending a yearlong investigation

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Very interesting reading the comments on the article.

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Sarge is using logic to refute your position, your ideas come from emotion.

Emotions:

Picks your Significant Other.

Picks Leaders in any Election.

Causes rebellions.

Logic:

Explains why they happened.

No, you both have it wrong.
I have asked a question.
Are all criminals going to break all laws? As for Gary's response, please re-phrase, Gary.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/28/thomas-abrahamsen-san-francisco-cop-jailed-for-all/

A San Francisco police officer is facing two felony gun charges for allegedly building and possessing a banned AR-15 rifle.

Officer Thomas Abrahamsen, 50, turned himself in to San Francisco County jail on Tuesday and appeared in court Wednesday afternoon, ending a yearlong investigation

So some US states has working gun laws:)

Rather strange story though.
That he had "build" an AR-15 is ridiculous.
What he might have done is to convert the gun from semi to automatic mode.
But according to Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) the civilian version AR15 (military called M16) can not be converted to fully automatic with less than the knowledge of gunsmiths that is required to build a brand new fully automatic weapon from scratch.

As for Gary's response, please re-phrase, Gary.

Say you have banned being drunk in public. Next you ban booze. Next you ban yeast so booze can't be fermented from sugar.

After you have banned yeast do you need the ban on booze or the ban on being drunk in public?

If Mr. Sot wants to break the law on being drunk in public, he will break as many other laws as it requires to be drunk in public. All you have done with these bans is make more people into criminals who never would have been drunk in public. You also spend lots of taxpayer money on police, courts, prisons all for nothing as Mr. Sot still gets loaded but now he has broken far more laws so you give him more food and shelter.

So you ban murder. Next you ban fully automatic weapons. Next you ban .....

The only gun control that seems to have worked is sentence enhancement. If you are a burglar and carry a gun you get an extra 10 years. Suddenly burglars don't want to carry guns, because it isn't required to be a burglar. Common carrier criminals no longer want to have guns as they know it doesn't help them but it will hurt them.

Murders are like Mr. Sot, they have a defect that they are unable to control. Fix the mental health issue and they mostly go away.

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Rather strange story though.
That he had "build" an AR-15 is ridiculous.

California. That is the answer to your confusion. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. Semi-auto rifles are banned in California. Even for police officers. They had to write a special exemption into the law so the guards at the two nuclear power plants could carry them.

<ed>Worked well in San Bernardino didn't it?

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Rather strange story though.
That he had "build" an AR-15 is ridiculous.

California. That is the answer to your confusion. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. Semi-auto rifles are banned in California. Even for police officers. They had to write a special exemption into the law so the guards at the two nuclear power plants could carry them.

<ed>Worked well in San Bernardino didn't it?

I see. Another politicians that thinks when a legislation have been done the problem is solved.
It's not as simple as that...

It's not as simple as that...

Please tell the Donald. Believe me. We'll fix that.

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It's not as simple as that...

Please tell the Donald. Believe me. We'll fix that.

We're looking into it.

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