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 Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Yes all that lovely $$$ to reinvest in science, education & guns :-) It already is invested in guns, so no change. 
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Stop living in the past. Look to the future (if possible). That is the one good comment seen so far. How do we persuade/encourage people to make a better future for us all? All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
janneseti  Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 
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Yes all that lovely $$$ to reinvest in science, education & guns :-) We think the US need more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Bofors_Dynamics http://saabgroup.com/ |
j mercer  Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1
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Stop living in the past. Look to the future (if possible). How about stop ragging on each other for a start. "You get more flies with honey than vinegar." ;^) ... 
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Siran d'Vel'nahr  Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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Fine Bernie, you go right ahead and dismiss the statistics I linked to. You get no argument from me. :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Darth Beaver  Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 
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how many people could you kill in one go with a hammer 1 How many with a car maybe 12 max dead same injuired how many with a Assault Rifle ummmmmm Last count mmm 49 dead 54 injured most ppl die in cars from accidents are not deliberately run down and targeted and where hammers or knifes are used it's usually something of a personal nature not a planed mas killing and you can arm your self with a hand gun not a weapon of mass murder like a Assault rifle 
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OzzFan  Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28
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Bernie addressed your statistics quite clearly. His point was that you're comparing items with truly accident deaths (things which weren't designed with the purpose of killing) to the death caused by guns, and item which was designed with the sole intent to harm or kill. And before I get accused of choosing sides by way of attacking your argument, I'm not necessarily in favor of more gun control since I acknowledge that only increases black market sales, and making it harder for law-abiding citizens to get firearms only means criminals simply won't care what laws are put in place. 2nd amendment advocates need to get better arguments than the "statistics" you used, or constantly telling the rest of the world to mind their own business. BTW - Good to see I'm not the only one you cop an attitude with. Now I know it wasn't a problem with me. You have a problem with anyone that has an opinion counter to your own or corrects you on your false or untrue claims. |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Fine Bernie, you go right ahead and dismiss the statistics I linked to. You get no argument from me. :) I think he got the answers to his questions wrong, except for cars. Knives were designed for hunting, even if they were chipped out of rock, so the answer is yes. Hammers, call them clubs and it is obvious what they are and they were designed for hunting, so the answer is yes. (even other primates use them this way) Guns, unless paper targets are alive, the answer is no. Now that we understand the one item not design for killing, the car, is the only item that requires a test on the laws of using it and a test in the operation of it, we can begin to see how society treats itself. I think we all don't want crazy people to have any of these instruments. So work on getting the law changed so mental health professionals report crazy people to a database that can be searched to keep crazy people from these instruments.
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Gary that type of argument is also part of the problem . It would go against other rights in the Constitution and is not do able and is probably worse than going against the 2nd . Where the NRA have gone wrong now was objecting to the police checks as it now clearly shows there not trying to protect the 2nd but protect the gun makers . Compromise on things like gun checks and licences or risk losing the whole argument over weapons do the math 400,000 per yrs x 50 years of memory's of humans = 20 million victims add a trend of mass murder and the number will explode and there goes the 2nd and all the guns at some point not to far away from now if the Mass Murder doesn't stop and that's not even counting moderates that will also call for banning of modern weapons Grow Up and protect the right to own guns by compromising on some small issues that will help and let the Hoopla die down
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Can you enumerate where that right you think it goes against is locate in the Constitution? I don't think you can. The prohibition is in an ordinary law, Title II of HIPAA.
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Doesn't go against your right that the government can't tell your citizens what to do ? Ergo : report someone whose dangerous from the medical profession ? Hospitals , Head shrinks , rehab dear I say it "that dag flipping constitution gets in the way all the dang time"
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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What section is that in? Quote it to me. Since you now seem to be an authority on the US Constitution. Hint, government does tell citizens they must stop at a stop sign.
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j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1
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dear I say it "that dag flipping constitution gets in the way all the dang time" Yep it protects us from tyrants. Hmmm lots of those about mate. ;) Full Definition of tyrant a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power ...
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Pay taxes , go to jail , go to war , Blah Blah I'm no expert but as some one said I can only get my views watching Murdochs News services :-)
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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dear I say it "that dag flipping constitution gets in the way all the dang time" Why do I come to think about Donald Trump reading the definition of a tyrant? |
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j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1
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dear I say it "that dag flipping constitution gets in the way all the dang time" In my country that would be your choice and that is fine with me. I see him differently though but I'm sure you all have a problem with that. ;) ...
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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No we don't ..... Gona be a Good show if he wins ...and very funny for us but bad for you's you'll be stuck with him for 4 YEARS
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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[Pay taxes , go to jail , go to war , Blah Blah Yes, and that is a problem isn't it?! So who you gonna listen to: Murdoch or an American who might just understand how all the pieces fit together? Or put it this way, does it matter how strict the gun law is, if no one can be put on the deny list? Chew on that for a while. I'm off to chew on some dinner and prepare for Thorsday!
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Gary I don't have Foxtel or Telstra or bye Murdochs papers ......He a American NOW !!! I watch ABC NEWS24 or SBS World News :-)
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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dear I say it "that dag flipping constitution gets in the way all the dang time" Not yet, but Scotland have. |
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