Can someone explain why the Law was not changed ??

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These views were adopted by the framers, both Federalists and Antifederalists. Neither group trusted government.
Both believed the greatest danger to the new republic was tyrannical government and that the ultimate check on tyranny was an armed population.
It is beyond dispute that the second amendment right was to serve the same public purpose as advocated by the English theorists.
The check on all government, not simply the federal government, was the armed population, the militia.
Government would not be accorded the power to create a select militia since such a body would become the government's instrument.
The whole of the population would comprise the militia.
As the constitutional debates prove, the framers recognized that the common public purpose of preserving freedom would be served by protecting each individual's right to arms, thus empowering the people to resist tyranny and preserve the republic.
The intent was not to create a right for other (pg.1039) governments, the individual states; it was to preserve the people's right to a free state, just as it says.

Short questions.
What is a tyrannical government?
Does it apply today?

As I understand it, the right to bear arm is to protect you from tyrannical governments, not to protect you from some criminals.

Hi Jan,

Ok. This is starting to get weird.

Does it apply today? Yes, at least in my opinion and others I talk to. Today more than ever. Our government has become virtually "all powerful" and to appose it without sufficient numbers would be suicide.

The weird part: I assume you agree about the 2nd Amendment when it comes to a tyrannical government. So, you say we can take up arms against the government, if it becomes tyrannical, but when a criminal breaks into our house we cannot protect our lives or our property? I don't agree. Maybe the 2nd Amendment does not specify it specifically, but I'll sure as hell defend my life and anyone with me with whatever force I see fit to use. If it means I shoot to kill, so-be-it. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and watch my friends or family be killed, or my property get stolen, because some liberals decide that only criminals be allowed to have guns. Look what happened in the UK when they banned guns. Crime rate skyrocketed.

Peace! :)

Weird?
First about a tyrannical government and 2nd Amendment.
How likely in the western world is it that some government would become rogue enough to what essentially will become a civil war?
I dont think you will see someone named Donald the Terrible or something even more terrible in a foreseeable future.
But the 2nd Amendment cover that.

Secondly personal protection.
Right of self-defense US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_(United_States)
In the U.S., the general rule is that "[a] person is privileged to use such force as reasonably appears necessary to defend him or herself against an apparent threat of unlawful and immediate violence from another.

Right of self-defense Sweden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_(Sweden)
In Sweden, the law of self-defense (Swedish: nödvärn) allows a person attacked to excuse or justify a proportionate use of violence in defense of the person or property.

But there is a BIG difference between to protect yourself and your family and to protect properity.
You cannot justify using lethal weapons to defend property because thats not a proportionate use of violence.
Not in the US nor in Sweden.
However when there as an immidiate danger to life and health of you or your family, you could the same violence as the perpetrator.

Now, where did you get the idea that in the UK the crime rate has skyrocketed because of a weapon "ban"?
Thats not true when it comes to homocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Homocide rate per 100,000 population per year.
Sweden 0.9
UK 1.0
US 3.9
As you can see Sweden and the UK have almost the same homicide rate now and I can assure you that homicide rate here has not skyrocketed that it would must have done here as well if you'r staement is true.

They all have completely lost the plot if they are lost for words and have no powers of reason and instead have to resort to non-verbal childish schoolyard tantrums.


That is not what politics should be about. A disgrace to you all!

Oh, yes, "childish schoolyard tantrums" perfect description of the Democratic party's the present sit-in protest.

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But are you in your property between the hours of 10am to 3pm?
If not, then are you in your property between 6am to 6pm?

If the answer is that for the majority of the time between 6am and 6pm you are not in your property, then the chances of you being able to confront a person committing a property crime are small. Most criminals are cowards and don't commit crimes at times when they are liable to be confronted.

Therefore wouldn't it be better to spend more money on higher security and burglar alarms that can operate nearly all of the time, rather than a weapon which will probably never be used for its intended purpose.

As I understand it, the right to bear arm is to protect you from tyrannical governments, not to protect you from some criminals.

Janne...
The meaning of words, and thier application. Do change over the course of hundreds of years.
An example:
Our Declaration of Independence has the words "All men are created equal"
These words, at that time, only included only White Men.
On a hot summer day 1863. A tall, high pitched voice, uneducated man, made a "few brief remarks" and changed the meaning to 'All men, Black and White, are created equal'.
Decades later: "All men are created equal" included Women.

Yes I know.
Thats why all countries revise their constitution time after time.
For some reason, that is very hard to us outsider to understand, is that the 2nd Amendent hasn't been revised for so many years.

Well, on the other hand, in our constitution it took a long time when women was included in it. I think we where the last country in the western word to let them vote!

Well how about this by just adding five extra words?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”
The five extra words highlighted

Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation.

Yes. Isn't that a problem that the US Constitution is interpreted differently between the states?
And it makes me wonder why?

Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation.

Yes. Isn't that a problem that the US Constitution is interpreted differently between the states?
And it makes me wonder why?

Brits and US can't agree on how to spell words or what they mean. Why are your surprised? Language evolves.

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Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation.

Yes. Isn't that a problem that the US Constitution is interpreted differently between the states?
And it makes me wonder why?

Brits and US can't agree on how to spell words or what they mean. Why are your surprised? Language evolves.

I'm not surprised at all.
There are many revisions being done over time in our constitution that reformulate old text to more modern.
Actually there are still words in it from the constitution written in about 1350 by Magnus Ladulås that nobody understand now.
For instance the law concerning hobos, lösdrivare in swedish.
At that time and a couple of hundred years they was called "lösker man".
But not now:)

btw. There are on an average 3 revisions of our constitution all together every day!
But amendments take longer time to revise of course.

No second amendment with gun control
http://www.dw.com/en/shooting-in-german-cinema-several-injured/a-19350871

A heavily armed man who barricaded himself in a cinema in the German town of Viernheim has been shot dead. According to a German broadcaster, at least 25 people have been injured.

And no first amendment either

Local police have announced a press embargo.

The truth won't be told.
<ed>now reports are zero injured.
How do you go from 25 injured to zero? A Press Embargo!

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No second amendment with gun control
http://www.dw.com/en/shooting-in-german-cinema-several-injured/a-19350871

A heavily armed man who barricaded himself in a cinema in the German town of Viernheim has been shot dead. According to a German broadcaster, at least 25 people have been injured.

And no first amendment either

Local police have announced a press embargo.

The truth won't be told.

No second amendment needed here.
The man was shot dead by the German police.

First amendment is our "holy" amendment here.
Germany will give all information when things have settled down.
Simple as that.

The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law.

I see. Like a form that you only have to fill in the blanks:)

The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law.

I see. Like a form that you only have to fill in the blanks:)

Lists:
These are the things you must do
These are the things you may do
These are the things you can not do

This is how you will organize yourself to do these things
These are the powers of each branch over things
This is who may be in the organization
This is how you join the organization

Some is very specific, some is total fog.

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The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law.

I see. Like a form that you only have to fill in the blanks:)

Lists:
These are the things you must do
These are the things you may do
These are the things you can not do

This is how you will organize yourself to do these things
These are the powers of each branch over things
This is who may be in the organization
This is how you join the organization

Some is very specific, some is total fog.

I guess we outsiders have some problems to understand America (USA).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg

Report: Texas mom who shot, killed daughters had history of mental illness

Please explain why people with history of mental health illness have not only access to guns but that authorities failed to remove gun(s) from a property where there have been "previous altercations".

Report: Texas mom who shot, killed daughters had history of mental illness

Please explain why people with history of mental health illness have not only access to guns but that authorities failed to remove gun(s) from a property where there have been "previous altercations".

As explained millions of times the USA does not have mental health. As explained millions of times the USA has absolute patient privacy (HIPPA) so even if seeing a professional no one else is allowed to know it. Only if a court is used to force confinement against the patient's wishes is there a record.
<ed>Once dead the privacy veil is gone so the press can report it.

previous altercations = no conviction, presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It isn't gun control laws we need, it is fixing the above non-gun laws so the gun laws on the books can be allowed to work that is the issue in the USA!

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A gun law in the right direction.
Hawaii becomes the first US state to place gun owners in a federal database

A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, told Reuters that the gun rights organisation found the measure “one of the most extreme bills we’ve ever seen.”

A gun law in the right direction.
Hawaii becomes the first US state to place gun owners in a federal database

A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, told Reuters that the gun rights organisation found the measure “one of the most extreme bills we’ve ever seen.”

Yeah right!

Hawaii has become the first US state to place its gun owners on a federally managed database and monitor them for criminal activity.

So now ALL law abiding gun owners are criminal suspects, in Hawaii. BULLSHIRT!

What is it with you? Why don't you monitor your own state of affairs and leave us ALONE! You don't see any from the U.S. doing as you are with your country. Why do it with ours? What fraking concern is it to you? Does it harm you in any way, shape or form? No it does not. Give it a fraking rest already.

Get over yourselves!

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A gun law in the right direction.
Hawaii becomes the first US state to place gun owners in a federal database

A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, told Reuters that the gun rights organisation found the measure “one of the most extreme bills we’ve ever seen.”

Yeah right!

Hawaii has become the first US state to place its gun owners on a federally managed database and monitor them for criminal activity.

So now ALL law abiding gun owners are criminal suspects, in Hawaii. BULLSHIRT!

What is it with you? Why don't you monitor your own state of affairs and leave us ALONE! You don't see any from the U.S. doing as you are with your country. Why do it with ours? What fraking concern is it to you? Does it harm you in any way, shape or form? No it does not. Give it a fraking rest already.

Get over yourselves!

You are precisely one of the reasons I didn't stay in the US when I had the chance.

Over the top there aren't you?

Considering that America's foreign policies affect the rest of the world, & let's not forget the greed of your corporations.

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You are precisely one of the reasons I didn't stay in the US when I had the chance.

Oh yeah? And just WHAT have I done to you personally to make you not want to stay? What have I done personally to ANYONE on your side of the planet? NOTHING!!! I did NOTHING to you or anyone else! So don't go laying blame on me for what you do or don't do in life. I have NOTHING to do with it.

GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath