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Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Can someone explain why the Law was not changed ?? Hi Jan, No offense is intended. OK? I read what that idiot thinks of the 2nd Amendment of our Bill of Rights and I went out looking for some real history of the amendment. This is what I found. It is lengthy and I read about 80% of the whole thing. It explains the history with references very clearly. The 2nd Amendment definitely protects my right to "keep and bear arms". Very compelling. :) Peace! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
JM provided clear explanations when I asked a question. What can be seen on this thread is the 2nd Amendment is thrown at people that are not Americans. For those of us commenting on this thread, we accept the 2nd amendment as a given. No issues with that whatsoever. With all what has been happening , all (at least myself) are asking is this: - Why isn't the security & safety of the issuing of those weapons tightened up? I accept the fact that they can be obtained illegally but the impression received is that those who obtain them legally argue against any tighter restrictions because of the Illegal ways of obtaining them & that the legal holders shouldn't be restricted any further than what they are. Shouldn't everyone be working to cut down on illegal access? |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
-[ snip ]- Yes, I agree with that. But taking away MY right to have my guns in no way helps to prevent the illegal access. That is what we fight for, our legal right to legally have guns. The liberals (H. Clinton comes to mind for some reason) are the ones that want to take our right away by repealing the 2nd Amendment. That will not prevent Joe Criminal from pulling another Orlando. Some may a argue with the Columbine incident. That is the fault of the 2 students parents not every other law abiding gun owner in the U.S.A. Actually, society as a whole can also be blamed for that because it is getting near impossible to reprimand our children without them contacting the authorities and claiming "child abuse". They can virtually get away with murder. Anyway, yes, I agree with you in that attention should be centered on curtailing illegal access and illegal guns. Peace! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Shouldn't everyone be working to cut down on illegal access? America banned booze at one point. It simply made criminals of the majority of Americans and brought out criminal gangs. It is those gangs now that old ban created that are a problem. Do another ban? What will that bring forth? The very real issue is the inability of the USA to address mental issues. If you look at the gun death numbers something like 75% are suicide. That does not include the ones called suicide by cop, or terrorists hell bent on being martyred. We need to have a debate about databases. How names go on them. How names come off them. But the bureaucrats will not cede their secrecy and allow this debate to happen, perhaps because it would show their incompetency. We also need mental health care in the USA. A change in attitude that it isn't a leper condition. Mental health care also needs to drop the religious crap about sexuality. Finally I can assure you no NRA member wants the guy in the next lane at the gun range to be a crazy or a terrorist. He justs want to be sure some officious bureaucrat can't label him as one, unless he is one. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
We need to have a debate about databases. How names go on them. How names come off them. But the bureaucrats will not cede their secrecy and allow this debate to happen, perhaps because it would show their incompetency. America is not alone there :-( |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I find Brexit interesting in this. Remain and give up your army to a higher level of government. Call that akin to Texas giving up its army (Texas National Guard) to the United States. And you in the UK already gave up your personal gun rights. Perhaps there is some element of that in what is going on in America and gun rights being reflected in Brexit? Fear of faceless bureaucrats. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Fear of faceless bureaucrats. Spot on. Also include "gutless" |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Can someone explain why the Law was not changed ?? Lengthy indeed so I skipped to the conclusion. These views were adopted by the framers, both Federalists and Antifederalists. Neither group trusted government. Short questions. What is a tyrannical government? Does it apply today? As I understand it, the right to bear arm is to protect you from tyrannical governments, not to protect you from some criminals. |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
tyranny noun tyr·an·ny \ˈtir-ə-nē\ Simple Definition of tyranny : cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others : a government in which all power belongs to one person : the rule or authority of a tyrant Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary ... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
tyranny ? Same word in Swedish tyranni. noun tyr·an·ni \ˈtir-ə-nē\ Oh. Same definition as well. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Consider the source. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Shouldn't everyone be working to cut down on illegal access? No... Its there right in the 2nd , that's the point of the 2nd , right !!. You don't have a right to walk the street without being afraid or intimidated .It's not in the constitution that right Witch suggests a Country of criminals (ergo: Prohibition was a good money spinner for the mafia)...And to think we started out as a bunch of Convicts but we grew up last Century maybe you need to as well The whole point of having a weapon is to say , "don't mess with me or else !!" Intimidation ....... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The whole point of having a weapon is to say , "don't mess with me or else !!" Indeed. You could also say "I have a bigger gun then you have". Today I was talking to my GF about guns and learned that her ex bought a gun. Illegaly of course. Why? She don't know but since he was a businessman it was most likely to "impress" on his business partners. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
We'll never see our lot do anything like this :-( I don't get it. Our Congress has lost the plot. What is so hard about have proper vetting and due process gun laws? You are vetted to get on the list and you have due process to get off the list. If they would just add vetting and due process it would pass in a flash. ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We'll never see our lot do anything like this :-( They don't want it to pass. They want it to fail so they can use it as political points in the next election. The people who are killed are dead because of party politics. The despicable ones are the party strategists. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
-[ snip ]-Can someone explain why the Law was not changed ??-[ snip ]- Hi Jan, Ok. This is starting to get weird. Does it apply today? Yes, at least in my opinion and others I talk to. Today more than ever. Our government has become virtually "all powerful" and to appose it without sufficient numbers would be suicide. The weird part: I assume you agree about the 2nd Amendment when it comes to a tyrannical government. So, you say we can take up arms against the government, if it becomes tyrannical, but when a criminal breaks into our house we cannot protect our lives or our property? I don't agree. Maybe the 2nd Amendment does not specify it specifically, but I'll sure as hell defend my life and anyone with me with whatever force I see fit to use. If it means I shoot to kill, so-be-it. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and watch my friends or family be killed, or my property get stolen, because some liberals decide that only criminals be allowed to have guns. Look what happened in the UK when they banned guns. Crime rate skyrocketed. Peace! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
We'll never see our lot do anything like this :-( They all have completely lost the plot if they are lost for words and have no powers of reason and instead have to resort to non-verbal childish schoolyard tantrums. That is not what politics should be about. A disgrace to you all! Only in the USA. Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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