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Message 1797089 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 8:21:53 UTC

How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles?
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Message 1797090 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 8:43:01 UTC - in response to Message 1797089.  

How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles?

Everyone that doesn't have done enough target practicing and are nervous.
Why do you think assault rifles have a short barrel?
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Message 1797108 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 11:56:37 UTC

Can we please stop the personal insults.

Just because you don't agree with someone or their lifestyle it does not give you the right to insult them.


Thank you.
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Message 1797221 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 18:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 1797131.  

Personal choice is not defined as a need.
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Message 1797223 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 18:42:30 UTC - in response to Message 1797221.  

Personal choice is not defined as a need.

Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter. You choose to need TP. You choose to need a sewer system. You choose to need a mate. You choose to need a smartphone. You choose to need a better life. The boogeyman needs you as a victim.

You "need" something because you personally choose to place it on the "need" list.
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Message 1797224 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 18:44:36 UTC

Love the auto v Semi argument...

...all forgot one thing...

..DEAD is DEAD & the dead don't care what shot them!
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Message 1797393 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 16:50:26 UTC - in response to Message 1797223.  

Personal choice is not defined as a need.

Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter. You choose to need TP. You choose to need a sewer system. You choose to need a mate. You choose to need a smartphone. You choose to need a better life. The boogeyman needs you as a victim.

You "need" something because you personally choose to place it on the "need" list.


Psychologists see it differently.

Someone might justify a gun to provide for their need for safety. If someone genuinely feels a gun makes them safer then it would appear to be a 'need' to them. However, many people disagree that guns do actually make you safer, mainly those who examine the evidence rather than how they feel about it.
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Message 1797406 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 17:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 1797131.  

How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles?

Personal choice. Not the Ruling Class choice.

I disagree with many Non-Criminal Individual Freedom Choice's. Which effect the Safety and Security. So? Freedom is Chaotic.

As History and Human DNA has shown us:

Better to err on the side of Individual Freedom.

The alternative will always result in the Destruction of All Individual Freedoms.

Excepting those who believe in, or enable - ALL HAIL BIG BROTHER!

Let's not go down that road.

Is that really the choice? It's either protect an individual's freedom to own a semi-automatic rifle OR all hail big brother? There aren't any other possibilities?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1797413 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 18:44:11 UTC - in response to Message 1797406.  


Is that really the choice? It's either protect an individual's freedom to own a semi-automatic rifle OR all hail big brother? There aren't any other possibilities?



Yes, that is the exact choice. It is a binary choice. One or the other. If a person does not understand this, they are part of the problem.
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Message 1797416 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 19:07:33 UTC - in response to Message 1797413.  

Depends on what you mean by "understanding".

Following all the gun related threads, my understanding is this, so correct if wrong.

1: For normal home defence against armed intruders, shouldn't a handgun be sufficient?

2: Semi or even full auto weaponry are needed for protection from a tyrannical federal government.

With the ease that semi's are available, Orlando & others will continue to happen. So what is the solution to that?
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Message 1797422 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 20:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1797416.  

Depends on what you mean by "understanding".

Following all the gun related threads, my understanding is this, so correct if wrong.

1: For normal home defense against armed intruders, shouldn't a handgun be sufficient?

2: Semi or even full auto weaponry are needed for protection from a tyrannical federal government.

With the ease that semi's are available, Orlando & others will continue to happen. So what is the solution to that?

I correct no one but speak only for my self.

Someone asked me once what was I afraid of and I replied "nothing". Har!!

1)- I prefer not to be out gunned by intruders of any kind so handguns are at the bottom of the list of weapons.
2)- Semi or even full auto weapons are preferred for any and all defenses/intruders.
3)- Who ever has the most fire power wins.

A side note most weapons sold to civilians are not capable of full auto mostly because the receiver is not machined out to hold those full auto parts. You can't put them in the weapon.

Full Autos have been illegal since 1986, but fortunately pre-86 full autos are still legal and transferable to civilians. Prices have went up considerably, as you might imagine. $20,000 for a pre-86 transferable MP5 or MP5k. Full autos are legal in at least 25 different states. The firearm must have been registered with the BATFE by May 1986- no additional full autos may be transferred to a private citizen. Transfer is handled through a licensed machine gun dealer in your home state, and requires fingerprinting, approval from your Chief Law Enforcment Officer, a background check by the BATFE, and payment of a one time $200 transfer tax. “Burst fire” is still classed as a machine gun. A LEGAL, TRANSFERRABLE full auto will cost several thousand dollars, due to the finite supply of them. An M16 rifle is currently selling for around $15,000-$16,000. Some states have more restrictive laws that do not permit possession.
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Message 1797423 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 20:27:07 UTC - in response to Message 1797422.  

I like your numbered answers :-)

Seriously, good explanation , thanks. Is that near enough the same for semi's?
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Message 1797427 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 21:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 1797423.  

Is that near enough the same for semi's?

TY

Sorry I do not understand your question.

Semi-autos are legal in most places and are not covered in the full-auto rules I pointed out.

Most states have a 5 round max capacity for hunting with semi-auto magazine fed weapon. You have to be using a 5 round magazine or one that is blocked off and only holds 5 rounds when hunting. I hunt with a 308/7.62 M1A and a 20 round mag (semi-auto civilian version of a M-14) and have been stopped every time by Game Warden to check my magazine for 5 round capacity. Non compliance is lose of permit/weapon and possible jail time. Game Wardens/Park Rangers around here (Washington state) pack major heat and are trained for it.
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Message 1797429 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 21:29:35 UTC - in response to Message 1797427.  

No worry, you've answered it for me. I should have asked if there is fingerprinting & backgrounds that's all.
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Message 1797436 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 22:19:57 UTC - in response to Message 1797429.  

I should have asked if there is fingerprinting & backgrounds that's all.

Here's for my state. To purchase no finger printing but background checks by dealers.

http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-washington/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Washington

For concealed permit it is State's Driver's License, finger prints and FBI background check through City/County level law enforcement. With a concealed permit there is no waiting or check to purchase in my state.
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Message 1797439 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 22:24:57 UTC - in response to Message 1797436.  

Forgot to add:

"In 2014, Washington became the first state in the nation to pass a universal background checks law by voter initiative. The law requires all private sales of firearms to be conducted through a federally licensed firearms dealer who will conduct a background check on the private buyer. Washington also requires law enforcement to run a background check before returning a confiscated firearm."

http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-washington
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Message 1797441 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 22:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 1797416.  

2: Semi or even full auto weaponry are needed for protection from a tyrannical federal government.

Not really. In both Sweden and Norway we use semi-automatic rifles when hunting. Even weapons like Ruger Mini-14 used by Anders Breivik.
Yes hunting.
You need a hunting license and the police check your background.
Semi-automatic rifles are weapons made to kill.

Ruger Mini-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej39umHaB08

What about using it for protection?
They are very good at it, but is it a must to kill offenders instead of disable them with a smaller weapon?
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Message 1797444 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 22:41:32 UTC

If US citizens are so concerned about their safety and insist that semi-auto assault rifles are and absolute essential for their safety, then do they, as any soldier on active duty does, sleep with it?
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Message 1797453 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 23:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 1797444.  

If US citizens are so concerned about their safety and insist that semi-auto assault rifles are and absolute essential for their safety, then do they, as any soldier on active duty does, sleep with it?

No semi-auto assault rifles are major cover hogs so mine sleeps on the floor next to the dog.
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Message 1797487 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 3:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 1797223.  

Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter


Sometimes Gary you can say some very silly things .

The above things are not a choice if you don't have them you die however a Assault rifle is not something you need to survive it is a choice and a choice most do not need .
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