Transportation Safety 3

Message boards : Cafe SETI : Transportation Safety 3
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 . . . 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 . . . 179 · Next

AuthorMessage
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813148 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 7:14:39 UTC

What is it these days about truck drivers & bridges?



Truck with digger hit the bridge. It's possible that the truck driver does not have a license to operate diggers but it's his responsibility to ensure his load.

Have transported diggers in the past but unlike that guy, have ensured the digger arm is lowered on the flatbed. Looking at the 2nd photo in the report, the rest of that flatbed is empty, so the driver will have some questions to answer.

M20 closed
ID: 1813148 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1813157 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 8:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1813148.  

Looking at the 2nd photo in the report, the rest of that flatbed is empty, so the driver will have some questions to answer.

The excavator might have been further forward on the truck before it hit the bridge.
The bike rider was very lucky to get out of it with just possibly broken ribs.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1813157 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813159 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 9:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1813157.  

Doubt it as there is a dumper truck in the way. Dumper should have been placed at the headwall with the digger at the rear with the arm lowered. As for the motorcyclist, he was very lucky he had the time to throw himself off the bike & only suffered cracked ribs.

ID: 1813159 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1813160 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 9:12:58 UTC - in response to Message 1813159.  

Doubt it as there is a dumper truck in the way.

Ah, didn't notice it in the other shot.

I think there were quite a few very lucky people there if cracked ribs & a shaken up driver or 2 are the only casualties from that mess.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1813160 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813161 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 9:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1813160.  
Last modified: 28 Aug 2016, 9:28:42 UTC

Sorry Grant, it's not in the other shot. Got that as a screenshot from the aerial video.

Totally agree, the whole incident was very lucky in that no serious causalities or fatalities involved.

As with all forms of transport, just an extra few minutes evaluating the load will always prevent incidents such as this thereby making it much more safer for everyone.

Edit: I feel sorry for the transport company as that is going to be one hell of an insurance headache.
ID: 1813161 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813163 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 10:29:49 UTC

Ooops...revised opinion.

Dumper truck couldn't be at headwall due to it being a low loader trailer. Still, the digger's shovel should have been placed on the higher deck which would have provided a much lower profile & bridge would not have been hit.

ID: 1813163 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Richard Haselgrove Project Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 4 Jul 99
Posts: 14649
Credit: 200,643,578
RAC: 874
United Kingdom
Message 1813166 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 11:18:43 UTC

Screengrab from Google Streetview.



Looking at the broken stub-end of the bridge in relation to the digger arm in the previous picture, I must say I query whether the arm was too high, or whether the bridge clearance over the hard shoulder was not as high as it should have been?

At least the streetview image shows that the bridge came apart at a construction/expansion joint - lends credibility to the statements that the remaining 'bridge to nowhere' over the eastbound carriageway is structurally sound.
ID: 1813166 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813168 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 11:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 1813166.  

That's true of many footbridges as well as some bridges. However, that trailer had the space to provide a much lower profile of the load in question.
ID: 1813168 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile zoom3+1=4
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 30 Nov 03
Posts: 65709
Credit: 55,293,173
RAC: 49
United States
Message 1813210 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 16:13:36 UTC

This is how low the bridge came down, the biker had to throw Himself from the bike I read.
A motorcyclist in his 50s was taken to hospital with suspected broken ribs.

Sonny Gladdish, who was just behind the crash when it happened, said the motorcyclist had thrown himself off his bike to avoid the impact.


The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
ID: 1813210 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30608
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1813221 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 17:17:30 UTC - in response to Message 1813163.  

Ooops...revised opinion.

Dumper truck couldn't be at headwall due to it being a low loader trailer. Still, the digger's shovel should have been placed on the higher deck which would have provided a much lower profile & bridge would not have been hit.


Hummmmmmm looking at other dumpers it looks like they have a safety bar for the operator. (Now under the bridge) If this one did, then I don't think the digger arm would have fit over it and been any lower. In that case should have been two loads.

However a little rotation of the bucket and it looks like the arm could have been dropped a bit. Perhaps this is why. Or perhaps the bucket should have been detached from the arm getting an even lower set. If the driver isn't qualified on the equipment he is transporting he might not know how stow it.
ID: 1813221 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813251 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 19:25:45 UTC - in response to Message 1813221.  
Last modified: 28 Aug 2016, 19:26:12 UTC

The safety bar is actually a ROPS frame. A folding safety frame which is a legal requirement in the UK, so the bucket would have had no problem fitting over it (as it could be unlocked & folded down) onto the higher deck on the low loader.
ID: 1813251 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30608
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1813253 - Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 19:45:23 UTC - in response to Message 1813251.  

The safety bar is actually a ROPS frame. A folding safety frame which is a legal requirement in the UK, so the bucket would have had no problem fitting over it (as it could be unlocked & folded down) onto the higher deck on the low loader.

Fold? I guess they want them to fail when they roll. Here I'd expect a full cage anyway to give flying/dropped materials protection as well.
ID: 1813253 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Kevin Olley

Send message
Joined: 3 Aug 99
Posts: 906
Credit: 261,085,289
RAC: 572
United Kingdom
Message 1813300 - Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 0:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 1813166.  

Screengrab from Google Streetview.


Looking at the broken stub-end of the bridge in relation to the digger arm in the previous picture, I must say I query whether the arm was too high, or whether the bridge clearance over the hard shoulder was not as high as it should have been?


Odds on it was clearance over the hard shoulder, a couple of years ago during road works on the M1 there was a couple of minor bridge strikes when they were using hard shoulder as inside lane, they narrowed the hard shoulder by about 6 inches past the bridges for the remainder of the road works.
Kevin


ID: 1813300 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 13720
Credit: 208,696,464
RAC: 304
Australia
Message 1813355 - Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 5:30:26 UTC - in response to Message 1813300.  

Odds on it was clearance over the hard shoulder, a couple of years ago during road works on the M1 there was a couple of minor bridge strikes when they were using hard shoulder as inside lane, they narrowed the hard shoulder by about 6 inches past the bridges for the remainder of the road works.

Most of the motorways/freeways here the shoulder is meant for emergency breakdown parking, so it has to be at least wide enough for a full width truck to park on without impinging on the left hand lane.

Then of course you get the %^#%tards that like to use the emergency lane as part of the road.
7th of May this year a person was killed & another injured in Melbourne when they stopped in the emergency lane as one of them was feeling ill. A car that was driving in the emergency lane slammed into the back of the stopped car.
Then you have the other extreme, June 3rd a teenager was killed while changing a flat tyre on his ute. He was changing it in the centre lane, not the emergency lane.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1813355 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1813389 - Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 9:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 1813253.  

A: Quite sturdy & Safe.
B: Locked in place when in use.

Forward tipping dumpers
ID: 1813389 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1814119 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 10:50:05 UTC

If it wasn't serious, it would be comical

So no chance the local window cleaner can get any work done until 2017 :-)
ID: 1814119 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
rob smith Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 7 Mar 03
Posts: 22158
Credit: 416,307,556
RAC: 380
United Kingdom
Message 1814128 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 11:27:12 UTC

German efficiency at its very best -not
Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?
ID: 1814128 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Uli
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 6 Feb 00
Posts: 10923
Credit: 5,996,015
RAC: 1
Germany
Message 1815045 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 18:23:23 UTC

If I recall correctly. It was due to a timming issue.
Pluto will always be a planet to me.

Seti Ambassador
Not to late to order an Anni Shirt
ID: 1815045 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile celttooth
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Nov 99
Posts: 26503
Credit: 28,583,098
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1815054 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 18:52:29 UTC - in response to Message 1814128.  

No one ever said that a Germen would
not be adaptable in a tough situation.....


ID: 1815054 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1816148 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 15:03:17 UTC

The single issue that defies all forms of Transport Safety.

Ohio Police...
ID: 1816148 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Previous · 1 . . . 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 . . . 179 · Next

Message boards : Cafe SETI : Transportation Safety 3


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.