I just read in an newspaper here that the police is investigating against Tyson Fury (the Boxer) because of homophobia! I can't believe it and have to ask: Is this really considered a crime in the UK??

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I just read in an newspaper here that the police is investigating against Tyson Fury (the Boxer) because of homophobia! I can't believe it and have to ask: Is this really considered a crime in the UK??

It's not against the law but if you act on it the police will arrest you and charge you with a offence it's on the statute books nowadays , but Tyson Fury is a pikey and causing a few problems with his big mouth over here

Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

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I just read in an newspaper here that the police is investigating against Tyson Fury (the Boxer) because of homophobia! I can't believe it and have to ask: Is this really considered a crime in the UK??

It's not against the law but if you act on it the police will arrest you and charge you with a offence it's on the statute books nowadays , but Tyson Fury is a pikey and causing a few problems with his big mouth over here

It might be against the law:

74 Hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation

Schedule 16—

(a) amends Part 3A of the Public Order Act 1986 (c. 64) (hatred against persons on religious grounds) to make provision about hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to sexual orientation, and

(b) makes minor amendments of that Part.

source

Punishments under Part 3 of the Public Order Act 1986:

27 Procedure and punishment.

(1) No proceedings for an offence under this Part may be instituted in England and Wales except by or with the consent of the Attorney General.

(2) For the purposes of the rules in England and Wales against charging more than one offence in the same count or information, each of sections 18 to 23 creates one offence.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this Part is liable—

(a) on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years or a fine or both;

(b) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both.

source

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

There is no right to freedom of speech in the UK.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

Homophobia becomes a crime when it could be said to be a hate crime.
Greater Manchester Police confirmed that they were investigating an allegation of hate crime against Fury in relation to comments made about homosexuality on Victoria Derbyshire's BBC television programme.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/35047606

Hate crime law (also known as a bias-motivated crime) provides an enhanced penalty of a usually violent, prejudice motivated crime that occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group. Examples of such groups include but are not limited to: ethnicity, gender identity, disability, language, nationality, physical appearance, religion, or sexual orientation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

Probably very few in the UK are prosecuted. If any. Most cases are not even reported.
In Sweden, only three percent of all reported hate crimes are facing prosecution. The vast majority of reports is closed. Therefore it is no wonder that the propensity to report is low.
I guess the same thing applies in the UK.

Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

There is no right to freedom of speech in the UK.

Yes, that is correct. It is something that some posters from the UK can't seem to wrap their head around when then enter this forum hosted in a country where there is a nearly absolute right to free speech. They react by insisting that unpopular and/or unpleasant speech be suppressed. They talk about "right", "tradition", "proper", "the thing to do" and other such concepts of political repression by a failing ruling class intent on retaining power.

Winston Churchill wrote:

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer - not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.

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Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

There is no right to freedom of speech in the UK.

Yes, that is correct. It is something that some posters from the UK can't seem to wrap their head around when then enter this forum hosted in a country where there is a nearly absolute right to free speech. They react by insisting that unpopular and/or unpleasant speech be suppressed. They talk about "right", "tradition", "proper", "the thing to do" and other such concepts of political repression by a failing ruling class intent on retaining power.

Winston Churchill wrote:

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer - not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.

"Free speech" requires "self discipline"

Something most people don't seem to have, so do you allow free speech and be prepared to live with the consequences, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/10/attacks-on-muslims-across-the-country-as-trump-rhetoric-puts-them-in-the-line-of-fire-congressman-says/, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-considine/the-difference-between-an_1_b_8257506.html

Tyson Fury is a pikey!

So this man is not a citizen then?



edit:
.. or are we not talking about a human?

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Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

There is no right to freedom of speech in the UK.

Yes, that is correct. It is something that some posters from the UK can't seem to wrap their head around when then enter this forum hosted in a country where there is a nearly absolute right to free speech. They react by insisting that unpopular and/or unpleasant speech be suppressed. They talk about "right", "tradition", "proper", "the thing to do" and other such concepts of political repression by a failing ruling class intent on retaining power.

Winston Churchill wrote:

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer - not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.

"Free speech" requires "self discipline"

Something most people don't seem to have, so do you allow free speech and be prepared to live with the consequences, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/10/attacks-on-muslims-across-the-country-as-trump-rhetoric-puts-them-in-the-line-of-fire-congressman-says/, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-considine/the-difference-between-an_1_b_8257506.html

Incitement to riot seems to apply to Mr. Trump's mouth. Like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater and causing a panic, or shouting "jump" at a person contemplating suicide.

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Well, I don't really get it. It's not against the law but still they will arrest you? I'm not saying that homophobia is ok, but where's freedom of speech? And I especially don't get it in this case, he's a boxer, it can be part of the show and I'm sure police has more important things to do. But that's just my opinion ofc.

There is no right to freedom of speech in the UK.

Yes, that is correct. It is something that some posters from the UK can't seem to wrap their head around when then enter this forum hosted in a country where there is a nearly absolute right to free speech. They react by insisting that unpopular and/or unpleasant speech be suppressed. They talk about "right", "tradition", "proper", "the thing to do" and other such concepts of political repression by a failing ruling class intent on retaining power.

Winston Churchill wrote:

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer - not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.

"Free speech" requires "self discipline"

Thanks for providing Gary with another thing to add to his list. In the US the only requirement for free speech is the 1st Amendment.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

What I have always had a problem with is:
Why do people who are not Gay care about
people who are?

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What I have always had a problem with is:
Why do people who are not Gay care about
people who are?

Own life too miserable? Too much spare time?

Too much spare time?

Fear?

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Too much spare time?

Fear?

Is that like cooties?

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Is The UK saying that any 'Hate Speech', directed against Homosexuals, Christians, Jews, etc., by a Muslim. Is Subject to Criminal Prosecution?

Have The Authorities in The UK, ever prosecuted a Muslim for this?

If the answer is no. Why not?

The answer is "yes".

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

The answer is Crown Prosecution Service (23/10/2014)- Conviction rate for hate crime at all-time high

The answer is Crown Prosecution Service (23/10/2014)- Conviction rate for hate crime at all-time high

Amazing.
but Hmm. This is very strange.
How can two countries in northern Europe have so very different law inforcement?
In Sweden, only 3% of all reported hate crimes are facing prosecution.
Where as in Britain almost 80% of hate crime referrals from the police result in a decision to prosecute.

Is The UK saying that any 'Hate Speech', directed against Homosexuals, Christians, Jews, etc., by a Muslim. Is Subject to Criminal Prosecution?

Have The Authorities in The UK, ever prosecuted a Muslim for this?

If the answer is no. Why not?

The answer is "yes".

Still NO.

He was convicted of "Soliciting" the Murder of Jews.

A Criminal Action.

NOT any 'Hate' Speech against Jews, or any others.

Therefore. Still this open question:

Have The Authorities in The UK, ever prosecuted a Muslim for Hate Speech, against Christians, Jews, et al?

(a) three charges of soliciting the murder of Jews, Americans, Hindus, and Christians; and (b) two charges of using threatening words to stir up racial hatred

The answer is yes.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...