i don't see how that has anything to do with what we facing right now ...these ppl threaten the whole world

how would you feel if you go to a concert and suddenly someone grabs a machine gun and starts mowing down everybody and possibly shooting one of your friends or family
then you would not argue about what i'm saying and ou would not compare it to the ira which is a completely different story and has a completely different history

as soon as it affects you you will change your tune real fast

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i have seen civil war/war in Croatia and it left a sour taste as soon as you can say the same we can talk about it

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

i got a quick way to take care of that ...couple nukes will fix that real quick
action is one hell of a deterrent right now they just doing what they want and we do nothing about it except say we have to be tolerant

we let them in because they destroyed their home and country then they blow us up as a thank you

i have no believe in any god or anything but you don't see me run around with explosives and guns to force my opinion one someone else

i don't care what their lil book says what i want is to go outside without the fear of beeing blown up or mowed down in at a concert or a parking lot

they can do in their lil craphole of a country whatever they want as soon as you bring it to me we have a problem

other muslims say they condemn it but they do nothing to remedy the situation that is just as bad as giving em a helping hand ..we all saw what it turned into in the 30's and 40's

Where would you suggest the nuke's be dropped?
All you want is to be able to go outside without the fear of being blown up or mowed down, that is what they want too. Have you seen what our bombs have done to them? Violence begets violence.

I don't condone it, please don't inflame it.

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i got a quick way to take care of that ...couple nukes will fix that real quick
action is one hell of a deterrent right now they just doing what they want and we do nothing about it except say we have to be tolerant

we let them in because they destroyed their home and country then they blow us up as a thank you

i have no believe in any god or anything but you don't see me run around with explosives and guns to force my opinion one someone else

i don't care what their lil book says what i want is to go outside without the fear of beeing blown up or mowed down in at a concert or a parking lot

they can do in their lil craphole of a country whatever they want as soon as you bring it to me we have a problem

other muslims say they condemn it but they do nothing to remedy the situation that is just as bad as giving em a helping hand ..we all saw what it turned into in the 30's and 40's

Then We would be no better than the NAZI's and would have learned nothing from WWII, Berlin was initially the 1st target for the Atomic Bomb, but the war there ended before the bomb could be deployed with the death of Adolf Hitler, which ended the Blood Oath that Germany was sworn to, which allowed Germany to admit, that Germany was finished.

We did this in WWII to Germany, the fleets of USAAC/USAAF bombers the US made did this...

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the nuke was dropped on japan on august 6 ww2 was over on sep 2nd

look at it they believe their religion is the only true one and everybody needs to be converted

ring a bell?

i grew up in a place where bombs where found on a weekly basis some went off during excavation some got discovered and removed

i know very well how germany looked after the war britain didn't look any better nor did the rest of the continent

you ever seen ppl try to cross the wall in germany and get blown to bits by east german mines and shot by east german patrols ? i did

i got no love for anything that is going on now and it has to be stopped right now with whatever means necessary

every single one of you guys here have no clue what it is like since you never had to be where it was going on beeing afraid the next corner you walk around has a sniper or a machine gun behind it or you hear a whisteling and you don't know where it is gonna hit ... all that you know you see on tv ..like i said if you actually been there you would sing a different tune

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There was many germans that where in the resistance trying to get rid of adolf and got killed too even some of the high tier generals etc
many of them where glad the us and britain freed em

the us flew what they called chokolate bombers ...the us dropped chocolate and other stuff over the cities to help out ppl where cheering in the streets

then germany was split up between the winning countrys and russia got east germany ...now the same ppl where shooting ppl that tried to get to the west ...funny isn't it ?

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

Thank fu#k you ain't in a position of authority or power , what you recommend would make the situation a thousand times worse than it is already . Best you stay over your side of the pond with your ideas

i don't see how that has anything to do with what we facing right now ...these ppl threaten the whole world

how would you feel if you go to a concert and suddenly someone grabs a machine gun and starts mowing down everybody and possibly shooting one of your friends or family

Growing up in London I faced the threat of bombs everyday. If someone did that I'd want to know why and what had led this to happen. The very last thing I would ever call for is more violence.

then you would not argue about what i'm saying and ou would not compare it to the ira which is a completely different story and has a completely different history

The root cause of the IRA was an occupation. The root cause of ISIS is an ongoing war in the middle East which the west had been very much involved in.

as soon as it affects you you will change your tune real fast

I was in London in July 7th when we were bombed by Islamic terrorists. I remember very well the fear that gripped the whole city.

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i have seen civil war/war in Croatia and it left a sour taste as soon as you can say the same we can talk about it

You don't get to decide what people can and cannot talk about.

I am simply pointing out that you have double standards expecting all muslims to responsiblity for something some crazy people did. I have yet to see you taking responsibility for the Christian IRA, or even the many Christians who have committed terrorist acts on US soil.

You are calling for the murder of people in a region that has already suffered enough from Western Interventions. You talk as if the US had absolutely nothing to do with the situation we are in now.

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either way you guys wanna spin this i stick with my opinion

any shooting and fighting over any religion is a waste of time

here we are arguing about something that should not even be happening
we looking for ET but what you think happens if we find it think about what they would think and do

if a ship would show up half the planet would shoot it down or at least try to and then we will face the music to the tune of total destruction

imagine how far we would have come by now if we would not have this religious who is right and who is wrong crap

give me one good reason this is beeing done ...if we all would work together we could be out in space by now half way to alpha centaury but no we have to fight about religion and who is right and who is wrong

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

IMO this thread belongs in politics.

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yeah that too lol but going to politics is like going to the comment section on youtube hrhr

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

IMO this thread belongs in politics.

Indeed!

Carlos, they will never understand. They do not realize what they do is using f-16's to fight the mafia. I can see them now dropping 500 pound bombs on buildings where a mafia boss has his office. It might look a lot like the world trade center, because that might be where his office is.

ISIL is no more Muslim than the FLDS is Christian.

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The death toll is up now, not a lot, plus there are 99 who are in Critical shape among the wounded.
Sorry about the 1st pic, I had to zoom to get the pic from My phone.

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Vic we really don't need the pictures. Links will do. I access from my phone sometimes and the pictures really slow things down.
Here is a great story showing the reaction of Islamic leaders around the world. They are all telling ISIS to go to _ell.

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Vic we really don't need the pictures. Links will do. I access from my phone sometimes and the pictures really slow things down.
Here is a great story showing the reaction of Islamic leaders around the world. They are all telling ISIS to go to _ell.

Now if only they can get the House of Saud to sign it and the Imams of Saudi Arabia and Iran to sign it , it might have some weight and some influence .

otherwise just a publicly stunt

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Carlos, outstanding post. Thank you sir. There have been others too.

@Zombu2 - How well-informed are you?

ISIL: Askari-styled force recruited, financed, armed (directly and indirectly by the west and its middle-eastern allies) to deliver regime change in Iran. Failed. Driven out and redeployed in nations the same puppetmasters were reducing to rubble and did de-regime. Until Syria (a work-in-progress).

Perhaps you see no wrong in any of that? Then let's consider from whence your monster came. Beware the lie you tell so well it is believed by those you do not pay and you do not reward, for it will mutate your puppet and give it a cause of its own. It strengthens its hand, it spawns its own agenda, and when the day comes that you displease it?

For every terror group there is always a why. For every wounded memory of childhood - there will be a fertile field for dispossession and grievance. Acquainting ourselves first with the extent of our ignorance, is the only path to wiser action than the one you are presently so grotesquely promoting.

Just as the puppetmaster lost control of the Taliban, and gave birth to Al-Qaeda, so too have they lost control of this group. More of the same will create more of the same.

My fervent hope is that no one with the power to act as you suggest, will.

Now some western countries are considering supplying more weapons to people in the M.E. :-O

This type of idiocy is part of what has given us the current problems we face today, we should be disarming this hotbed not making matters even worse for the future by giving them more. :-(

Cheers.

Carlos, outstanding post. Thank you sir. There have been others too.

@Zombu2 - How well-informed are you?

ISIL: Askari-styled force recruited, financed, armed (directly and indirectly by the west and its middle-eastern allies) to deliver regime change in Iran. Failed. Driven out and redeployed in nations the same puppetmasters were reducing to rubble and did de-regime. Until Syria (a work-in-progress).

Perhaps you see no wrong in any of that? Then let's consider from whence your monster came. Beware the lie you tell so well it is believed by those you do not pay and you do not reward, for it will mutate your puppet and give it a cause of its own. It strengthens its hand, it spawns its own agenda, and when the day comes that you displease it?

For every terror group there is always a why. For every wounded memory of childhood - there will be a fertile field for dispossession and grievance. Acquainting ourselves first with the extent of our ignorance, is the only path to wiser action than the one you are presently so grotesquely promoting.

Just as the puppetmaster lost control of the Taliban, and gave birth to Al-Qaeda, so too have they lost control of this group. More of the same will create more of the same.

My fervent hope is that no one with the power to act as you suggest, will.

Did you mean the Mujahideen rather than Taliban? I'd not seen the west previously implicated in the origin of ISIL, what's the source?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Did you mean the Mujahideen rather than Taliban?

Yes. It has been a long time brewing. That root would have been a much better one for me to reference. Thank you for the correction, Bobby. :-)

I'd not seen the west previously implicated in the origin of ISIL, what's the source?

A good question, Sir. It is not new knowledge to me, and how much and where that is sourced online may take me awhile to unearth. It was a tangled paperchase even then as I recall, and is likely to be even more so now. I have several long shifts coming up. If you would be gracious enough to grant me a few days, I will endeavour to provide you with what you need.

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We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Apart from pain. And maybe humiliation. And obviously death. And failure. But apart from fear, pain and humiliation, failure and the unknown and death - we have nothing to fear. Who’s with me?

Did you mean the Mujahideen rather than Taliban?

Yes. It has been a long time brewing. That root would have been a much better one for me to reference. Thank you for the correction, Bobby. :-)

I'd not seen the west previously implicated in the origin of ISIL, what's the source?

A good question, Sir. It is not new knowledge to me, and how much and where that is sourced online may take me awhile to unearth. It was a tangled paperchase even then as I recall, and is likely to be even more so now. I have several long shifts coming up. If you would be gracious enough to grant me a few days, I will endeavour to provide you with what you need.

Bahh... no big deal to find it.

Roots in Iraq

ISIL has its origins in the Iraq War of 2003–11. Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), its direct precursor, was one of the central actors in a larger Sunni insurgency against the Iraqi government and foreign occupying forces.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Islamic-State-in-Iraq-and-the-Levant

OK.

AQI -> ISIL (From the above source, the rest is common knowledge from the news)
AQ -> AQI
The Mujahideen -> AQ namely in the person of Osama bin Laden.
US CIA -> The Mujahideen/OBL namely through training and supply in fighting the USSR invasion of Afghanistan.

So, yes... From a certain point of view, one can make a strong case in saying the USA made ISIL... From a certain point of view...

Again, sources are 'common knowledge' and the Encyclopædia Britannica.

Smoke me a kipper, you are correct in this statement about the origin of ISIL. And you are also correct in that it is most certainly not 'new knowledge'.

Concentrate on the science. Yes Paris is a sad thing :( ... just trust me on this ... it will get better.