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 zoom3+1=4  Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 
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Maybe this will help, it's a map of the groundwater, I don't live above the Mojave floodplain aquifer at all. This map is from the USGS, I'm north of the i15 and Mojave ends south of the i15 fwy. I'm in the Baja Subarea.  The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's 
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Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Maybe this will help, it's a map of the groundwater, I don't live above the Mojave floodplain aquifer at all. This map is from the USGS, I'm north of the i15 and Mojave ends south of the i15 fwy. I'm in the Baja Subarea. Thank you for providing proof that you are in the Baja Subarea of the Mojave River Ground Water Basin. That being the case the water in the Basin comes from the Mojave River. And the well sucks from the basin. Ergo you are drinking Mojave River water. In any case you are not drinking Colorado River Water as you first claimed all of Southern California to be drinking. You should know the source of your water is the San Bernardino Mountains not some aqueduct to a river that gets its water from the Rockey Mountains. 
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Maybe this will help, it's a map of the groundwater, I don't live above the Mojave floodplain aquifer at all. This map is from the USGS, I'm north of the i15 and Mojave ends south of the i15 fwy. I'm in the Baja Subarea. Our water does not have the chromium problems of Hinkley, I've seen the report, but then everyone was handed a copy of the report, so drop it and there is a canal in the Hesperia CA area that feeds the area there. The Mojave river only feeds the floodplain(look for the purple dashes), not the whole area. As to exactly where I live, that notch that looks like it's pointing roughly towards Palmdale is not where I live, I'm actually in the light tan area, to the right of that notch. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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Darth Beaver  Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 
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Zoom you are aware that we have a problem with the Climate and hence droughts are getting worse . In the big picture the HSR is not as important as water so if money is short then maybe it's prudent to make shore you have water. Money wouldn't be a problem if you lot where not so fobic about government building and owning such a enterprise which could be sold off once it has been built . And if your government keep 25% it would have more money from the dividends to add to the general coffers . issuing Bonds is last century economic's and isn't helping your pension funds that well is it . 
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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I get a check every month from said Government, both State and Federal, the SSI program spends $45 billion every year to support people who are Seniors, the Blind and Disabled People and the amount has not gone up in years. Yes I know about climate change and I'm not a skeptic or a denier, but then on $899.40 a month, after living expenses, I'm lucky if I have $150 left over and sometimes I don't even have that, since I have stuff to repair or replace and until that is done in a few years or at least lessens, that's just the way it is here for Me. HSR is very important but then all of Australia's population could fit in Los Angeles County, big country down there, yet not many people and the population is 38 million now in California, the US Census says the population is going to grow to 50-60 million people soon, without HSR there would be more fwys/hwys that need to be built and that takes more land, more money and generates more GHG's than HSR(HSR is all Electric, shocking, I know), since our current roads are maxed out now. Private Railroads have a History of going Bankrupt quite often in the past, lots of short line railroads today either run at walking speed or get a Tiger Grant from the FRA to fix their rails. State Pension funds in California are self funding and are under contract law and states can't go bankrupt in the USA and as such are not Bonds, no matter what the GOP says. I can't say anything about other State Pension funds of course. The GOP loves to make a manufactured crisis(making a molehill into a mountain), there was one for Ebola and nothing happened here, there was the Embassy problem in Benghazi Libya, of course no one howled when the GOP cut the Embassy security budget, resulting in another made up crisis and a witch hunt to boot. States in this country use Bonds cause they have to Balance their budgets, since American states do not control the currency that is used in the USA, only the US Government has that control, under the US Constitution. States in the US are not Nations. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Here's a pic from FB that came from NHK in Japan, NHK is one of the TV stations in Japan. 87000 divided by 400 seats(assumes one person per automobile)= 217.5 HSR trains per day or roughly 9 HSR trains per hour, this is an example, I wasn't even looking for this, it just popped up on FB, go figure. Direct from FB at 1600x900 res. http://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12273807_995294140517068_4420496900734905419_o.jpg 1024x576 res pic for Seti@Home viewers on Dialup.  The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Vic, you really are digging yourself holes here ... hehehehehehe Yes Vic and the distance from Brisbane to Melbourne is 2000 plus klm in a straight line so why don't you have a HSR again ? Oh right private Railroads go bust .....mmmmm Why was that again the reason Governments should not own or build such a enterprise as big and as important .....is it not a big thing and is not Government to do the big things .... Chris who owns the Chunnel not British Rail is it
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Vic, you really are digging yourself holes here ... 2000km?(1,242.74 miles) No HSR system goes that far between city centers, not with todays tech at least, you are quoting a MYTH. 550 miles at most for HSR. The B&O and other railroads in the 19th and 20th Centuries did go bankrupt. 1910s
September 6, 1918:Canadian Northern Railway (nationalized)
1920s
July 12, 1920:Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (nationalized)
January 20, 1923:Grand Trunk Railway (nationalized)
1930s
December 4, 1931: Ann Arbor Railroad
February 10, 1932: Baltimore and Virginia Steamboat Company
March 31, 1933: Missouri Pacific Railroad
December 1934: Alleghany Corporation
March 26, 1935: Copper Range Railroad
October 23, 1935: New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad
October 31, 1935: Connecticut Company
November 29, 1935: New York, Westchester and Boston Railway
February 2, 1936: Van Sweringen Company
June 3, 1936: Old Colony Railroad
May 20, 1937: New York, Ontario and Western Railway
January 18, 1938: Erie Railroad
August 4, 1938: Boston and Providence Railroad
October 30, 1939: Central Railroad of New Jersey
1940s
1947: American Railroad Company
March 2, 1949: Long Island Rail Road
1950s
November 19, 1954: Hudson and Manhattan Railroad
1960s
July 7, 1961: New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad
September 7, 1962: Boston Terminal Corporation (South Station)
March 22, 1967: Central Railroad of New Jersey
1970s
March 12, 1970: Boston and Maine Corporation
June 21, 1970: Penn Central Transportation
July 24, 1970: Lehigh Valley Railroad
November 23, 1971: Reading Company
April 19, 1972: Lehigh and Hudson River Railway
June 26, 1972: Erie Lackawanna Railway
July 12, 1973: United New Jersey Railroad and Canal Company (Penn Central subsidiary)
July 14, 1973: Beech Creek Railroad; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway; Cleveland and Pittsburgh Railroad; Connecting Railway; Delaware Railroad; Erie and Pittsburgh Railroad; Michigan Central Railroad; Northern Central Railway; Penndel Company; Philadelphia and Trenton Railroad; Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington Railroad; Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railway; Pittsburgh, Youngstown and Ashtabula Railway; Union Railroad of Baltimore (Penn Central subsidiaries)
October 15, 1973: Ann Arbor Railroad
1980s
1987: Delaware and Hudson Railroad
Why? Narrow minded idiots who hate anything Foreign, that's why. Ok then who paid for the Interstate highway system? the US Government. Who helped develop Radar? The US and British Governments, ever heard of the cavity magnetron? One is in every microwave oven. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Who paid for it ? Apart from France interests Does the British Government own any of it . Yes I know you said it's listed but that doesn't mean the government doesn't own it . And don't you also have a HSR that British Rail owns
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KWSN - MajorKong  Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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Here's a pic from FB that came from NHK in Japan, NHK is one of the TV stations in Japan. 87000 divided by 400 seats(assumes one person per automobile)= 217.5 HSR trains per day or roughly 9 HSR trains per hour, this is an example, I wasn't even looking for this, it just popped up on FB, go figure. I don't know where they got the figure of 87,000 vehicles per day. That figure seems a bit... LOW. At each end of I-45 (Dallas and Houston), the vehicles per day is somewhere around 310,000 at Houston and around 305,000 at Dallas. That is fairly heavy traffic, considering that the busiest highway in the USA (I-405 at LA) is 374,000 vehicles per day. Are they only counting certain vehicles? If so, what is their criterion for exclusion of some of the vehicles? Now don't get me wrong. I am highly in FAVOR of rail transportation of all sorts (freight... commuter... long distance passenger...). But, I do think that Water should take priority over rail... Especially if CA has the population growth projected. All those people there are going to need water to drink. And I do understand about the drought. We are just getting over one that lasted quite some time here in Texas. Water use restrictions out the wazzeri. Got so bad that many ranchers had to import hay from several states away. In the end many couldn't even do that, so they had to sell off large parts of their cattle herds. WE, here in Tx are building new lakes for water storage just about as fast as possible. In my opinion, you Californians need to do the same. As nice as high speed rail is (and it is VERY nice, makes sense on many levels), it will be a flop of a money pit if they do not have enough riders willing to fork out the fares because the state doesn't have enough water for them to drink. Money does not grow on trees (unless you are a nut farmer or a tree farmer, that is). Water tends to be hard to come by in arid regions. You really do need to set some sensible priorities on where the State is going to spend its limited tax revenue. Nothing at all is wrong with letting the People in California decide priority (HSR vs. Water) at the voting booth, now is there? ID: 1743705 · |
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Here there is $2.5 Billion set aside for new Dam construction and modification of the older Dams, problem is all the Good sites have been taken, literally. Shasta Dam is to have the height and therefore the capacity increased. California at least has a balanced budget and is not gerrymandered to hell and back, CA also has a surplus too. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Nothing at all is wrong with letting the People in California decide priority (HSR vs. Water) at the voting booth, now is there? As to letting the people vote on any and all bonds, beyond General Obligation bonds(which are the only Bonds to be voted on), Government would come to a halt all over the state, Texas would never allow that. Other bonds are not paid for directly, revenue bonds come from passenger fares and are voluntary, no ticket, no pay for the bonds. And Pension funds are not Bonds and are under Contract Law, there would be lawsuits, the state would lose and states here can not go bankrupt, that's illegal to do. I'm voting NO against the deceitful Prop 52 in 2016 and I know others will too, I've been told so in fact. The Gov of California has a big war chest and I imagine He'll use that, it's campaign money and He can campaign against 52. California is not a minority-party ruled state anymore, the GOP is a minority and that is the way the Voters wanted it here. We will not have our budget voting amendment overruled by the CA GOP. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Zoom you'll be very sorry if there's not enough water in the next Drought which are coming more often and more server . There's other ways to Finance a HSR . Government Bonds for water supply's ok not a HSR . If there's no place for dams then Desalination Plants and power plants To run them need to be built not HSR . Some utility's should not be sold , Water and access to it is one of those things .
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Zoom you'll be very sorry if there's not enough water in the next Drought which are coming more often and more server . There's other ways to Finance a HSR . Thankfully you aren't a US Citizen, so you don't get a Vote here, I do. HSR bonds were approved in 2008 by the voters, you do know this Prop 52 would extend to all bonds that have at least $2 Billion US Dollars in value left, for water, schools, highways, rail transit, local bonds, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... A vote would need to be taken on every bond that has already been approved, even if the bonds are not paid for by way of taxes or fees. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Desal is not in the Water Bond anywhere, conservation is, as is recycling, like making waste water into drinking water. http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/04/04/from-wastewater-to-drinking-water/ The use of recycled water for drinking, however, is less common, largely because many people are repelled by the thought of water that’s been in our toilets going to our taps. But a few countries like Singapore, Australia and Namibia, and states such as California, Virginia and New Mexico are already drinking recycled water, demonstrating that purified wastewater can be safe and clean, and help ease water shortages. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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I noticed your interest rates are on the way up over there . quantitative easing , is printing money and one of the mechanisms is the Bond market . effect of to much Bond exposure ............High inflation , high interest rates The G.F.C was only 7 years ago and people have forgotten already .............
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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I noticed your interest rates are on the way up over there . Oh and the Treasury is in charge of Printing and engraving, the Easing is not doing any printing, if they were then I'd have gotten a COLA for 2016. http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ Inflation is not anymore than last year, in 2014 inflation was 0.8%, in 2015 it's 0.2%. What inflation? There isn't any... http://www.bankrate.com/rates/interest-rates/prime-rate.aspx Fed interest rate 0.25% Next goal post, since you like to move them... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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The G.F.C was only 7 years ago and people have forgotten already ............. Never heard of that, could be anything with GFC in it. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's
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betreger   Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66
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I noticed your interest rates are on the way up over there . Inflation is quite controllable if the central bank has the will. That is a matter of politics. ID: 1743735 · |
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Zoom even talk of the interest rates going up means Bonds are starting to mature and there for will need to be payed in full . This means interest rates rise and after a while so will inflation if your not careful . If you don't or can't pay then there JUNK Bonds not worth the paper there written on . And you think the G.F.C not your way :-) was bad . Do have any idea how it spread from Morgages in America to sending Ireland and Greece Bankrupt ?? I just hope you do know what your doing as your already in deep dodo finanally Simple economics 101 I just hope your Treasury knows what it's doing and you fired all them Goldman Sacks ppl
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