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Message 1736387 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 13:46:57 UTC

Finding life in the universe is obviously not as difficult as finding "Intelligent Life." How does one determine if life is "Intelligent."?

Intelligence is determined by the principles of language functionally resident in a mind. Therefore, in order to determine if a life form is intelligent or not, one simply places before a life form a simple linguistic puzzle. That is the rational thing to do. A simple scientific test of linguistic functionality.

But, well, duh, if one studies the linguists, they will tell you they have a ton of theories about language, but don't actually know what it is or why.

Now, let us examine an artifact, a linguistic artifact that almost everyone takes as either religion, or religious mysticism. The Name of the Beast 666.

It is actually written in that artifact that it is a Key. Mankind claims that the puzzle is unsolvable. Lucky for me, I seem to have been made to solve unsolvable problems. This is not the only one I have solved.

Watch and listen to The Difference Between Man and Beast from the link below. Within the solution is the definition of intelligence. It is an artifact that no human could solve, that is, until it was time.
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Message 1736390 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 14:06:20 UTC

For me, an "intelligent life" is one that would make a Civilization...regardless if it's a good or bad!

& we all know what Civilization is?!


on the other hand...monkeys are quite intelligent animals, but never have they made a Civilization...
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Message 1736393 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 14:26:34 UTC - in response to Message 1736390.  
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civil means the ability to reach an agreement. How can you say then that civilization exists when not even the principles of language have been agreed upon? Try the News, tell me that mankind is civil, or if it still lives by brute force.

For example, I posted resource to an artifact for examination. Language is for the production of standards in human behavior, the first one is to examine evidence.

Tell your lungs that it does not matter if it takes in oxygen or cyanide gas, that it is all the same, as long as it simply does anything.

Should give Aristotle another shot. As a heap of feathers do not make a bird, a heap of people do not make a civilization. Each thing is defined in terms of material difference and form. A civil form has not yet been reached by mankind.
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Message 1736397 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 14:46:27 UTC - in response to Message 1736387.  

Finding life in the universe is obviously not as difficult as finding "Intelligent Life." How does one determine if life is "Intelligent."?

Intelligence is determined by the principles of language functionally resident in a mind. Therefore, in order to determine if a life form is intelligent or not, one simply places before a life form a simple linguistic puzzle. That is the rational thing to do. A simple scientific test of linguistic functionality.

But, well, duh, if one studies the linguists, they will tell you they have a ton of theories about language, but don't actually know what it is or why.


I think we as humans would probably fail a "linguistic puzzle" posed by a different life-form than us.
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Message 1736402 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 15:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1736397.  
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If you would have viewed the video essay, you would have seen that we have failed it, and for a very long time.

However, that failure does not mean that there is no hope, evolution is a long and nasty process.

The principles of language are the same throughout the Universe, therefore so are standards of sapient behavior; a behavior that mankind clearly does not measure up to.

That behavior is simply the ability of the mind to do its own work. Biologically, it means the creation of a social system of minds doing their own work, or Nomocracy, and by biological fact, a balanced and maintainable ecosystem.
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Message 1736404 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 15:06:51 UTC - in response to Message 1736393.  

or if it still lives by brute force.


Think about this: "justice is what is pleasing to the strong" Socrates

As for failing a linguistic puzzle:

How do you pronounce "Ghoti" ?
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Message 1736405 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 15:09:40 UTC - in response to Message 1736404.  
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Think about this. I have posted the dialogs of Plato from serious translators on the Internet Archive in audio book form.

As far as the Republic goes, it is a psychological masterpiece. Plato literally tells the reader he is creating the greatest hell imaginable, but men still call it a Utopia. Imagine that.

And I don't pronounce it.
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Message 1736406 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 15:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 1736405.  

What then is your view on Virtue in the Meno and in current life ?
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Message 1736409 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 15:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1736406.  
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You don't listen well, Plato was defining virtue throughout all of his works, Virtue is the mind doing its own work.

It is not my interpretation, nor Plato's, it is simply a biological fact, a simple fact, or again what Aristotle said,

Anything that has a function, exists for its function. On the Heavens.

Confucius said the same thing in the quote on the Rectification of Names.

And you say the same thing when you buy something and it don't work.
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Message 1736415 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 16:27:37 UTC

Ah, we evade the simple questions, and probably avoid the difficult ones.
Let's start again.
You are asking questions about the determination of intelligent life, are you not?

Looking at your comments you place great store on Plato, and no doubt other philosophers of that era and yet you fail to give your answer when a question is asked - these philosophers you quote so freely gave their own answers to the "great questions" that were asked of them, they demonstrated intelligence by so doing. You on the other hand hand only able to quote them, thus have not demonstrated intelligence, rather the ability to quote another's work.
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Message 1736418 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 16:42:42 UTC - in response to Message 1736415.  
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Perhaps you should try reading the post, make a comment on the essay, or quit complaining about your inability to follow simple directions.
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Message 1736420 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 16:54:20 UTC

OK, so I've re-read your posts in this thread, and see no examples of original thought there, only re-iterations of long-dead great philosophers, who I can but assume you are trying to emulate. Let us see what YOU think, not what you have read. We await your personal response, not a series of quote from others.

As for your thoughts, on language, have you ever thought about the true function of language as opposed to its aesthetic nature? I ask this as one who's native language is not English, and thus am hampered on occasion by trying to get through the aesthetics of English to find the meaning of what has been said or written.
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Message 1736421 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 16:55:56 UTC - in response to Message 1736420.  

Perhaps you should try another reread, and if you know someone close at hand they can take you through it step by step.
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Message 1736425 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 17:13:14 UTC

It is up to you to explain your position if others fail to grasp what you are failing to make understandable.

If you actually understood what you had written you would understand that you are not demonstrating intelligence as defined by your (borrowed) definition. You have only used hollow words in your argument, you hypothesise that intelligence is based on the application of language. If that is the case then explain the "invention" of the wheel, which does not require language to "invent", rather a very basic understanding of the rules of physics. I would propose to you that part of the definition of "intelligence" is the ability to comprehend one's environment, then be able to influence it some manner that either leads to a furtherance of one's understanding, or produces a material gain to either the individual or the society within which that individual exists.
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Message 1736431 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 17:24:01 UTC - in response to Message 1736425.  
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Okay, let us try the give the guy a hand approach.

https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

Actually try using the link.

Now when you get there, push the button in front of the vid, or download a document. Your choice.

As you read, follow the reasoning, or get someone to help you.
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Message 1736436 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 17:41:12 UTC

I have tried, but the audio is badly broken, and text is being read by someone who is obviously not you (the reader being female). And the bits I could make out were nothing to do with "intelligence", even by your definition.

So, can we have YOUR definition, or at least a summary of it, in a legible form, so we can sit back, read and study it at our leisure.
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Message 1736442 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 17:56:35 UTC - in response to Message 1736436.  
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You are a very arrogant man. You think just because you are too lazy to acquire something to examine, that someone else can supplant that with words, that Logic imparts wisdom, when in fact, by the principles of language, which you have never bothered to research, factually demonstrate that all knowledge is by induction. Try again, Plato and Aristotle, the facts of language do not change.

You believe that someone else can do the mental work for you, and worse yet, you expect them to.
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Message 1736444 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 18:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 1736404.  

or if it still lives by brute force.


Think about this: "justice is what is pleasing to the strong" Socrates

As for failing a linguistic puzzle:

How do you pronounce "Ghoti" ?


I believe it's pronounced 'Fish' .
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Message 1736448 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 18:21:37 UTC

Intelligence is the capability to use tools to make tools. Chimps use tools to get food, but don't make them.
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Message 1736449 - Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 18:30:07 UTC - in response to Message 1736448.  
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"Intelligence is the capability to use tools to make tools."

A self referential fallacy. Do you see how? If you do, you can use it to find the error in what is called Russell's paradox or the original liar's paradox.


And again, off topic.
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