Just read a report about the James Blake incident that suggests the police are getting jittery about confronting suspects in case someone is filming and they end up on YouTube.

What are your thoughts, is it true and will it benefit or hinder police actions and your safety?

Its not that different than putting bodycams on police officers, except its a third party that makes the film. Either way, it means more accountability, which is a good thing.

The number of abuses by police is appalling.
As more people become aware of the abuses via social media, the pressure for accountability will grow.

Cops have been handing out beatings since the beginning of their existence.
With the advent of cameras in cell phones, the ability of citizens to document the abuse is unprecedented.
Cops will be forced to change.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

As long as the police approach a suspect in a civil manner and only use force if the suspect is genuinely trying to resist arrest, I see no reason why they should be jittery.

It is when a squad of police officers throw an unarmed and co-operative street hawker to the ground and commit fatal GBH on him they should feel nervous.

T.A.

Edit: For those unfamiliar with the term GBH = Grievous Bodily Harm

As long as the police approach a suspect in a civil manner and only use force if the suspect is genuinely trying to resist arrest, I see no reason why they should be jittery.

It is when a squad of police officers throw an unarmed and co-operative street hawker to the ground and commit fatal GBH on him they should feel nervous.

T.A.

Edit: For those unfamiliar with the term GBH = Grievous Bodily Harm

Agree.
Do I need to give reasons here, as well?

Do I need to give reasons here, as well?

Only if you feel the point needs additional clarification ;)

T.A.

Do I need to give reasons here, as well?

Only if you feel the point needs additional clarification ;)

Terror Americans don't get it that it's safe to walk around here and Cops don't get guns pulled on them all the time . We do live in the Lucky country mate :-)

As for being worried about you tube , follow there training , do it by the book and there shouldn't be a problem . If there worried I'd look into weather he's got a problem the cops that is . Maybe needs more training .

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Clyde when I say going by "the Book" I don't mean literally

I mean you don't breaks the rules.

Anybody that follows a book literally does not have any common sense by definition .

'The Book" is more a guide about what you don't do unless your talking about a process that has to be done exactly a certain way and needs no more common sense than a robot .

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Clyde a example of "Following the Book " and "Not following the Book" a real Life experience that has happened to me .

Worked for a Company called Australian Refined Alloys . Recycled lead , producer , Smelter .

Company Softens lead to make it pure , no impurity's , for 50 years . parent company WAS called (Now trading under a new name grrrrr!) Pasminco
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Think they know how to do this process and have own standard for doing it .

"NOT FOLLOWING THE BOOK"

Along comes someone that notices things in this process so try's his own things .

One of these was to

"FOLLOW THE BOOK"

Anyway this fellow gets his chance to show his stuff and is able to prove that they where not "FOLLOWING THE BOOK" as far as the process and yet all it took for this fellow to show how it was done was to use some common sense and ask a few questions not just "FOLLOW THE BOOK " as you where told .

Common sense !! , the ability to ask questions and notice small things and not be a ROBOT !!

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They are correctly scared to use their Common Sense and Intelligence. Because if something goes wrong (and it will on occasion): Criminal Charges may result.

Why aren't Doctors held to the same 'Criminal Standards' as Police are now?

I wouldn't say that Clyde Doctors do use there common sense as not everyone body is exactly the same and any drug or condition may have different effects on different people hence why so many Doctors are sued and why Medical indemnity Insurance is so high .

Also they wouldn't be able to improve the chances of survival . The clever Doctors do notice things and will try different things that may not be in the "BOOK"

Any way getting back to the "you tube" thing with the advent of "You Tube " I do think things may just change even if it's just the way the police do things witch is a good thing .

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Doctors get sued, and no criminal charges.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-doctor-convicted-overdose-deaths-patients-34866015

They are correctly scared to use their Common Sense and Intelligence. Because if something goes wrong (and it will on occasion): Criminal Charges may result.

Why aren't Doctors held to the same 'Criminal Standards' as Police are now?



I wouldn't say that Clyde Doctors do use there common sense as not everyone body is exactly the same and any drug or condition may have different effects on different people hence why so many Doctors are sued and why Medical indemnity Insurance is so high .

Also they wouldn't be able to improve the chances of survival . The clever Doctors do notice things and will try different things that may not be in the "BOOK"

Any way getting back to the "you tube" thing with the advent of "You Tube " I do think things may just change even if it's just the way the police do things witch is a good thing .
So we agree.

Police also deal with many, many, many different individuals, as Doctors. Unlike Doctors. The Police Officers lives may be at stake.

As with Doctors. It is sometimes their best guess. It does 'go wrong' sometimes.

Doctors get sued, and no criminal charges. Could Doctors really do their job. With possible Criminal Charges and Riots, Looting, and Burning, when a mistake is made?

Neither can Police

The difference is the Hippocratic Oath , so long as a Doctor does not deliberately try to kill someone then the Oath protects them . The Oath also means a Doctor must do some thing even if it's only pain relief .

The Cops are deliberately killing people ......so !!!

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Street Anarchy and Criminalizing Childhood, must continue.

As in the "zero tolerance" approach of the past 10-20 years?

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Street Anarchy and Criminalizing Childhood, must continue.

As in the "zero tolerance" approach of the past 10-20 years?

Of course. It is far more important to have Union officers doing light duty in schools than to spend that money testing rape kits.

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They are correctly scared to use their Common Sense and Intelligence. Because if something goes wrong (and it will on occasion): Criminal Charges may result.

Why aren't Doctors held to the same 'Criminal Standards' as Police are now?



I wouldn't say that Clyde Doctors do use there common sense as not everyone body is exactly the same and any drug or condition may have different effects on different people hence why so many Doctors are sued and why Medical indemnity Insurance is so high .

Also they wouldn't be able to improve the chances of survival . The clever Doctors do notice things and will try different things that may not be in the "BOOK"

Any way getting back to the "you tube" thing with the advent of "You Tube " I do think things may just change even if it's just the way the police do things witch is a good thing .
So we agree.

Police also deal with many, many, many different individuals, as Doctors. Unlike Doctors. The Police Officers lives may be at stake.

As with Doctors. It is sometimes their best guess. It does 'go wrong' sometimes.

Doctors get sued, and no criminal charges. Could Doctors really do their job. With possible Criminal Charges and Riots, Looting, and Burning, when a mistake is made?

Neither can Police


The difference is the Hippocratic Oath , so long as a Doctor does not deliberately try to kill someone then the Oath protects them . The Oath also means a Doctor must do some thing even if it's only pain relief .

The Cops are deliberately killing people ......so !!!
As with Gary. No understanding.

Yes... A few Doctors, as a few Police Officers, will face Criminal Charges.

But... Using your 'thinking', along with Gary, and others. That Doctors, as a Profession. Should be considered Murderers, because there are Bad Doctors, and people die under the care of Good Doctors.

Doesn't pass Logic 101.

BTW: As with Doctors, and other Life Saving Professionals: Police also, in your words, take an "oath" and "must do some thing" when innocent peoples lives and safety are at risk.

Yes... Some Police are Sc_m B_gs, Murderers, and Corrupt SOB's. As some Doctors are.

Therefore... Why do you believe, as with other Professions: The majority of the Medical Profession must be considered (fill-in all your negatives).

Again... Using your 'thinking': The Doctors are deliberately killing people ......so !!!

Why do you believe that about Doctors?

Doctors don't deliberately kill people and if they do then they don't last long and end up in a jail most deaths are accidental .

So Doctors can't really be compared to a Police man whom is trained to shoot to kill .

They have to harm when needed .

Was the cop that put his whole mag into a person when he jumped on the top of the bonnet a criminal !! and how many bullets do you need at such a close range to kill someone ?

If the cop was doing drugs or killing people or on the take then he's a crime otherwise no . But there are limits so the only out really for something like that is to blame the training .

But that does not let him off the hook . Manslaughter is a charge that is correct , as even if his training was bad he still has a conscious and should know how far is to far and emptying his whole magazine into that guy was way to far .

Like the cop that shot that guy in the back . Was that cop a crim no but he should know what is correct and no he can't then say I wasn't trained well after the fact.

To serve and protect is not serve and kill because he can or is protected by a law and doctors don't try to kill they don't need to .

Clyde is palliative care murder or a doctor doing his job and keeping to the oath ?

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Why shouldn't Highly Educated Doctor's be held to the same standard as Lesser Educated Police. When Doctor's commit Malpractice, and someone dies. Why aren't Criminal Charges contemplated?

Clyde Doctors are faced with Criminal charges if said malpractice is not a mistake but a deliberate act .

You do know that many Doctors have to work ridiculous hours and can go up to 32 hrs without sleep because of shortages of Doctors in hospitals .

So when Doctors make mistakes there are many reasons for it and there not always the Doctors fault but the Admins fault for expecting there staff to do the impossible with inadequate equipment and not enough staff .

I can't say for America but the police are respected by most people here even thou people will call them names but that's usually when your peed off because you got caught doing something wrong and have been charged .

Hopefully with the You Tube Era your police will think a lot more than they used to and change . Shoot first and ask questions later has to stop and hopefully it will . Some times I think they won't do it the good old fashion way and would shoot the person than let them get away do some good old fashion police work and then find them and arrest them under calmer conditions and yes I do understand that may not always be possible but I do think they have become lazy in that area .

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Taking another tack, I wonder if this new generation of youth that takes selfies of themselves and posts them to the internet realizes that EVERYONE has access to their posts. Some of them it seems think nothing of posting images that are highly incriminating. If TV cop shows can be believed at all then quite a few criminal investigations have been aided by the police combing the internet for clues.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Taking another tack, I wonder if this new generation of youth that takes selfies of themselves and posts them to the internet realizes that EVERYONE has access to their posts. Some of them it seems think nothing of posting images that are highly incriminating. If TV cop shows can be believed at all then quite a few criminal investigations have been aided by the police combing the internet for clues.

Cops love crooks who keep books.

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