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Message 1745619 - Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 15:19:03 UTC - in response to Message 1745609.  

Sorry guys looks like I figured it out error gone ....Stupid readme files confuse more than help :-)


It would be nice if you would choose a different wording.
The read me files are correct and it is hard work also.


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Message 1745630 - Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 16:24:36 UTC - in response to Message 1745619.  

Sorry guys looks like I figured it out error gone ....Stupid readme files confuse more than help :-)

It would be nice if you would choose a different wording.

Just shuffle the words a bit ;)
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Message 1745635 - Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 16:47:35 UTC - in response to Message 1745630.  
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Sorry guys looks like I figured it out error gone ....Stupid readme files confuse more than help :-)

It would be nice if you would choose a different wording.

Just shuffle the words a bit ;)
readme files confuse Stupid more than help :-)


In the earliest installers, I discovered that users could not see a combo box dropdown selection, and would click next without making the proper selection. After making some screenshots highlighting/pointing out where to click, facepalms ensued. I changed it to radiobuttons (which I think are totally still there, with more of them.) Advice pm'd to me was to make a big flashing button labelled something like "If you want apples click the banana!"
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Message 1745709 - Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 23:41:12 UTC - in response to Message 1745619.  

Sorry guys looks like I figured it out error gone ....Stupid readme files confuse more than help :-)


It would be nice if you would choose a different wording.
The read me files are correct and it is hard work also.


What's wrong with stupid mate !

All I will say is yes it's hard work and probably because there are some things that are not clear and could be explained a little better .

eg: -hp ? do you use a number 1 to 5 or do you use a word ?


Jason I haven't found any drop down Menus yet ,some links but nada on the drop downs :-). Don't worry I'm not whinging nothing worse I spose than writing a Standard all can understand , I hated it at work too when asked to do it and you can imagine how hard that was for me a Dyslexic. Yes I did have to do it and yes I tried every trick in the book to get out of it .
50 or 100 drafts later here's ya new Standard don't ask me to do it again grrrrrrr and off I would storm :-)
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Message 1745852 - Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 16:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 1745635.  

I changed it to radiobuttons (which I think are totally still there, with more of them.)

Yes, the selection is by radio-buttons
The CPU caps are auto-detected and what is not supported is grey-out
The best is pre-selected

The following pic I get just now from Lunatics_Win32_v0.43b_setup.exe
- this is the pre-selection (on my CPU - AMD Athlon II X3 455), I didn't change anything:



 
 


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Message 1746076 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 10:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1745709.  

Sorry guys looks like I figured it out error gone ....Stupid readme files confuse more than help :-)


It would be nice if you would choose a different wording.
The read me files are correct and it is hard work also.


What's wrong with stupid mate !

All I will say is yes it's hard work and probably because there are some things that are not clear and could be explained a little better .

eg: -hp ? do you use a number 1 to 5 or do you use a word ?


Jason I haven't found any drop down Menus yet ,some links but nada on the drop downs :-). Don't worry I'm not whinging nothing worse I spose than writing a Standard all can understand , I hated it at work too when asked to do it and you can imagine how hard that was for me a Dyslexic. Yes I did have to do it and yes I tried every trick in the book to get out of it .
50 or 100 drafts later here's ya new Standard don't ask me to do it again grrrrrrr and off I would storm :-)


If you are unhappy with our documentation, I suggest you try to contribute to improving it, instead of calling it stupid. That reflects more on you than it does on our skill levels in writing the darn things.
And I'm pretty sure I wrote several times to ask here if anybody needed help.
I have no idea how much time Mike has invested in helping people fine tune their rigs, or how he goes and chases good standard settings. Or writes that intricate documentation in the first place.
That's a lot of time invested into this project. So don't you go bad mouth him.

So you are dyslexic and not only have trouble expressing yourself but also struggle with understanding. Ok, no probs, 'mate'. We can invest even more of our time in trying to explain more simple. We can deal with the typos. But what I am not prepared to put up with, 'mate' is when you start to use 'words'. That is no way to behave towards someone who is trying to help you.

Remember we are all volunteers. So try to be a little more courteous, please.
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Message 1746085 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 11:12:43 UTC

I would not like to write the documentation!

I agree that it is a little unclear and a bit to technical and takes some reading to figure it out, BUT the info is there to be had.

It would be impossible to document what settings are best for each GPU / CPU combination. AMD/Intel/Nvidia/CountLessOthers = endless possibilities.
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Message 1746087 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 11:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 1746076.  

If you are unhappy with our documentation, I suggest you try to contribute to improving it, instead of calling it stupid.

William, Mike, can't say I've looked closely enough at your docs enough to say whether they're decent or not, but I think I've usually muddled through. If you're taking names for volunteers to write docs, sign me up. I've certainly done enough of that over the years, and would love to find a way to give back.
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Message 1746088 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 11:33:32 UTC - in response to Message 1746087.  
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Now there's the spirit jimbo!
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Message 1746094 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 12:43:39 UTC - in response to Message 1746076.  

If you are unhappy with our documentation, I suggest you try to contribute to improving it, instead of calling it stupid.

The biggest problem with adding a readme file, or posting the thing in the forums is formatting. Before you know it it's a wall of text, and it isn't clear enough where one thing starts and ends. I already get lost in the thing, but then I don't (have to) use it that much.

I've had that problem when writing the 'When requesting help...' thread on the BOINC forums, and quickly went and added all separate parts in separate posts, then used the first post as a general explanation plus index. Yes, it's still somewhat unclear, but until we manage to fully integrate wikipedia into the forums, there's no other way (Hey Jason, whatdayathunk? :)).

In this case though, you ought to be able to add it to a wikipedia page (the BOINC User Manual for example), and just use an index to point to the parts of the documentation. That would go a ways towards making it more clear. Else, when wanting to use a readme file, make it a PDF and add one paragraph per page into that.
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Message 1746095 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 12:55:24 UTC - in response to Message 1746094.  

I agree with all that Jord, though there is the knob-wall to contend with.
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Message 1746098 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 13:18:20 UTC
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I was going to say why are we having this discussion in panic, but on closer look it certainly is a topic to panic over!

Thanks all. Now how do I earmark these posts for future reference? (i.e. when working on the next installer and I need the advice?)

edit: why do I keep running into buglets? try hitting quote or reply when you are _not_ logged in -> https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//extra_arg_post.html 404 not found. mhm. extra / there?
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Message 1746125 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 17:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 1739035.  

Quick update of last month's figures - we processed 199 tapes in November, 195 re-processing previous tapes, and 4 new ones I hadn't seen before. No real change to the conclusions, then.

Rolling forward my estimate of how much MB work has been processed with the SaH v7 app (including autocorrelations), and how much might conceivably remain to be reprocessed.

The 'TOTAL' column is what I've posted in the data distribution thread, including new tapes received since the start of 2015 (nothing new arrived this month). The v7 column is what I've done since the SaH v7 launch date (June 2013), and the v6 only column is the difference between the two. Looks like we've processed roughly 350 tapes since I last drew up this table two months ago - see PMO 100 for the earlier figures.

At that rate - and assuming we're not diverted by the arrival of new tapes - we should have finished reprocessing 2011 by mid-February. No, I don't know whether we'll go back to take a second look at the rest of 2010 then.

Current figures:
Recorded	TOTAL		Processed with		Processed with 
				SaH v7 (since		Sah v6 only
				launch June 2013)	(derived)

2007		 350		   4			 346
2008		 916		 874			  42
2009		 548		 456			  92
2010		 762		 138			 624
2011		1138		 558			 580
2012		 846		 819			  27
2013		 590		 585			   5
2014		 260		 260			 n/a
2015		 164		 164			 n/a

Grand total	5574		3858			1716
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Message 1746139 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 22:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 1746098.  

edit: why do I keep running into buglets? try hitting quote or reply when you are _not_ logged in -> https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//extra_arg_post.html 404 not found. mhm. extra / there?

Unless you reported it and someone fixed it, I don't see that. I get the normal log in screen for both. Or is it after you logged in?
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Message 1746140 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 22:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 1746139.  

Just tested that here. totally broken on chrome at least.
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Message 1746144 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 22:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1746140.  

I used Firefox 42.0 and earlier went immediately to the log in page. Now I also get the error. I also see that the URL goes from an apparent HTTP on any thread to HTTPS on the error. Weird.
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Message 1746147 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 22:51:32 UTC - in response to Message 1746144.  

lol, have to love the non-deterministic style of programming these days.
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Message 1746238 - Posted: 2 Dec 2015, 7:44:56 UTC

SSP is starting to look a bit scary when it comes to tapes in queue ...
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Message 1746246 - Posted: 2 Dec 2015, 8:25:42 UTC - in response to Message 1746098.  
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edit: why do I keep running into buglets? try hitting quote or reply when you are _not_ logged in -> https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//extra_arg_post.html 404 not found. mhm. extra / there?

This is now fixed, with thanks to David looking into that. The HTTP->HTTPS links could be a side-effect of me using Firefox 42.0 to test. Perhaps that it overzealously tries to put all links to HTTPS.

Edit: no, the HTTP->HTTPS thing is what everyone will now see, as log in has been made HTTPS for everyone. However, when coming to the forums using HTTP, it'll return to HTTP after log in. New code.
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Message 1746262 - Posted: 2 Dec 2015, 10:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1746238.  

SSP is starting to look a bit scary when it comes to tapes in queue ...


Oddly, a couple of the AP splitters keep popping online, but nothing AP-wise is being split.

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