CCW permits. Including Myself, Wife, Adult Children and their Spouses.

Did you have to pass a psych review to get that CCW permit?

There also should be a test on competency just like getting a driver's license. We have determined if you are going to operate a machine that can kill people you should have minimum skills, why are guns different?

Here in NY state you must take a course before you can get your CCW. Its like the course you must take before you can get a hunting licsense.

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Old James

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Now... It is Class and Culture.

Those are just code words for race.

Correct. The Black Codes never died; they just transformed into War on Drugs and Stop n Frisk with a widening to other, non-white minorities.

Reading about the Black Codes really opened this white guys eyes.

Just to reiterate for those that didn't' click on the link, it is about race and the police admit they wre told to target young black men
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/22/nypd-stop-frisk-quota-race

Good article, unfortunately those here that need to read it, won't.

""We were handcuffing kids for no reason," Polanco said. Claiming he was increasingly disturbed by what he was witnessing in his precinct, Polcanco began secretly recording his roll call meetings.

In one recording played for the court, a man Polanco claimed was a NYPD captain told officers: "the summons is a money–generating machine for the city.""

This was written 2 years ago. Has anything changed since then?

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In the present day: It's Class (as Marx correctly stated) not Race.

What you are forgetting is that in America, class falls along race lines because of your history. So it is race.

Es99,

How do you justify that statement? The numbers do not support it.

Lets look at the numbers.

In 2014, per the US Census Bureau, we see the following numbers:

Total White: 244,253,000
Whites in poverty: 31,089,000 (12.7%)
Total Black: 41,112,000
Blacks in poverty: 10,755,000 (26.2%)

For completeness:

Total Asian: 17,790,000
Asians in poverty: 2,137,000 (12.0%)

and, while not strictly a race, lets remove the Hispanic whites and consider the Hispanics seperately:

Total non-Hispanic white: 195,208,000
Non-Hispanic Whites in poverty: 19,652,000 (10.1%)

and,

Total Hispanic (all races): 55,504,000
Hispanics (all races) in poverty: 13,104,000 (23.6%)

There now, there is the data from
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2014/table3.pdf

Ok, *IF* the total number of each respective group were roughly equivalent, you *might* be able to make a case in support of your statement based on poverty rates. However, the hard numbers torpedo your claim.

There are roughly 3x the number of poor whites than there are poor blacks.
There are roughly 2x the number of poor non-Hispanic whites than there are poor blacks.
Roughly 3/4 of blacks are *NOT* poor.


Es99, your statement is flat out wrong.

Excuse me, but your stereotypes are showing.

Lets look at the numbers.

Wow!
Thank you for that, I feel much better now.
I always said that the race thingy was all
wrong down in the republic. It's O'Bama's
fault right?

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I see both numbers of people and percents in Kong's post, then Kong only compares via the numbers of people and not via the percents. This is not a typical Kong post. I expect honesty from Kong, even if I don't agree with him.

I see both numbers of people and percents in Kong's post, then Kong only compares via the numbers of people and not via the percents. This is not a typical Kong post. I expect honesty from Kong, even if I don't agree with him.

+1

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There are roughly 3x the number of poor whites than there are poor blacks 1 in 8 whites in poverty compared to roughly 1 in 4 of blacks.
There are roughly 2x the number of poor non-Hispanic whites than there are poor blacks 1 in 10 of non-Hispanic whites in poverty.
Roughly 3/4 of blacks are *NOT* poor. are not defined as living in poverty.


Es99, your statement is flat out wrong can be made to look wrong by looking at absolute numbers rather than rates of poverty

Excuse me, but your my stereotypes are showing.

There, FTFY.

Perhaps noteworthy is that if you are black your "Real Median Household Income" is about 7/12s that of a non-hispanic white (source Figure 1, $35,398 vs $60,256), a number that I think supports Es's statement.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Total White: 244,253,000
Whites in poverty: 31,089,000 (12.7%)
Total Black: 41,112,000
Blacks in poverty: 10,755,000 (26.2%)

26.2% / 12.7% ~ 2.063 = 206.3% times more likely to be in poverty?

Total White: 244,253,000
Whites in poverty: 31,089,000 (12.7%)
Total Black: 41,112,000
Blacks in poverty: 10,755,000 (26.2%)

26.2% / 12.7% ~ 2.063 = 206.3% times more likely to be in poverty?

Therefore: 73.8% of Black Americans, are not in poverty.

It is not, excepting those who stereotype: Race.

What is the 73.8% doing right?

What is the 26.2% doing wrong?

What can the 26.2% learn from the 73.8%?

The Far Right will ask "what are the 26.2% doing wrong?" The Far Left will ask "what is Society doing to the 26,2%?"

The independent will say "I think you'll find it's more complicated than that" and ask "What's the balance of the competing forces?"

Total White: 244,253,000
Whites in poverty: 31,089,000 (12.7%)
Total Black: 41,112,000
Blacks in poverty: 10,755,000 (26.2%)

26.2% / 12.7% ~ 2.063 = 206.3% times more likely to be in poverty?

Therefore: 73.8% of Black Americans, are not in poverty.

It is not, excepting those who stereotype: Race.

What is the 73.8% doing right?

What is the 26.2% doing wrong?

What can the 26.2% learn from the 73.8%?

The Far Right will ask "what are the 26.2% doing wrong?" The Far Left will ask "what is Society doing to the 26.2%?"

The independent will say "I think you'll find it's more complicated than that" and ask "What's the balance of the competing forces?"

The rational will comment, "I didn't know the Klan was still that powerful!"

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It still amazes me how posters in Europe, Australia, Canada and other non-USA citizens feel they actually have a say in what laws are passed here. It isn't your country, it belongs to the citizens of the USA and those citizens will make our own way in the world without outside interference. We don't advocate changing laws in your country unless it affects the USA. Why do you feel the need to interfere in our legislative process?

The cold fact is there are over 100 million legal gun owners here(probably a lot more)who will oppose any onerous restriction of our rights to do so. Every time the Prevaricator in Chief starts his oral diarrhea threatening to ban guns, the manufacturers of firearms, ammunition, and all related products smile all the way to the bank and the membership in the NRA and the community of gun owners increases.

Australian/British style gun control will never happen in the USA.

wow talk about B/S you septic's interfer with every country in the world with your policy's

So Understand this septic

YOU ASK US TO JOIN YOU IN A WAR THEN TELL US WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT YOUR COUNTRY'S POLICYS ARE .

READ MY WORDS "f" YOU , DON'T ASK YOU ALLIES TO FIGHT YOUR CRAPPY WARS IF YOU THINK WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THE HELL YOUR DOING
OR YOU MAY FIND YOUR ALLIES TURNING ON YOU IN THE BATTLE FIELD OR TELLING YOU TO "F" OFF
Also stop interfering with my country's health system not that you have had any luck with that .

You wish to "F" your own country then i don't have a problem with that but don't "F"ing interfear with my country

America "Dumb and Dumber" or as Forrest Gump says stupid is as stupid does

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Here's a liberal source, so it should have some weight with most of you in here:

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/02/06/the-worlds-ten-leading-causes-of-death.html

Once again Butus you show why you seem to be losing the conversation in your country about gun control

Stupid links that have nothing to do with gun control so here's a fact

You have a Terrorist attack 9 dead we have a Terrorist attack 1 person dead and why ?

The Terrorist could not get his hands on any other type of weapon other than a old hand gun and to think they sourced it from criminals .

Funny if gun control did not work then shorly the terrorist whom sourced his weapon from the crim's would have been able to get a assault rifle but funny how that did not happen as even the crim's have trouble getting weapons

So tell me again how gun control does not work .

Oh i forgot I'm talking to a Forrest Gump type , "stupid is as stupid does "

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Well Clyde I may offer a opinion but we don't do what your government and some of your movers and shakers have been doing here the last 2 1/2 years and actually come over here and .

1 Show contempt for our borders AKA: the idiot that came here even thou his visa was cancelled to lecture us on abortion

2 try to run candidates for the N.R.A in our state elections to try and change our gun laws which has been going on ever since we changed the laws 15 years ago .

3 sabotage our health system by trying to stuff up the P.B.S system in a free trade deal

4 when you couldn't do it with the American free trade deal you try and do it via the T.P.P

and then have the gall to ask us to fight your wars .

It's why I got rather peed off with the redneck iddiot and his comments about us interfering with your country we only offer advise we don't come over there to lobby you polly's .

We can't be blamed for your President looking at our laws and wishing to change things that is all on you lot as we really don't care if you all wish to shoot each other we'll just sit here a laugh at the silly ppl .

Edit: ops I forgot one last thing you lot have try'd to do and that's change the taxation laws for donating money to charities and promote your evil de facto social security that you call Philanthopy

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5?) 'Just Say No'.

we the ppl wanted too but then you threatened everyone with trade sanctions if we where not part of the coalition of the willing !

not that Howard was going to actually say no as he was in New York on 9/11 so the ppl didn't have a choice but your right we could have said no the second time ops no we couldn't ick wad Abbott was the Pm

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In the present day: It's Class (as Marx correctly stated) not Race.

What you are forgetting is that in America, class falls along race lines because of your history. So it is race.

Es99,

How do you justify that statement? The numbers do not support it.

Lets look at the numbers.

In 2014, per the US Census Bureau, we see the following numbers:

Total White: 244,253,000
Whites in poverty: 31,089,000 (12.7%)
Total Black: 41,112,000
Blacks in poverty: 10,755,000 (26.2%)

For completeness:

Total Asian: 17,790,000
Asians in poverty: 2,137,000 (12.0%)

and, while not strictly a race, lets remove the Hispanic whites and consider the Hispanics seperately:

Total non-Hispanic white: 195,208,000
Non-Hispanic Whites in poverty: 19,652,000 (10.1%)

and,

Total Hispanic (all races): 55,504,000
Hispanics (all races) in poverty: 13,104,000 (23.6%)

There now, there is the data from
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2014/table3.pdf

Ok, *IF* the total number of each respective group were roughly equivalent, you *might* be able to make a case in support of your statement based on poverty rates. However, the hard numbers torpedo your claim.

There are roughly 3x the number of poor whites than there are poor blacks.
There are roughly 2x the number of poor non-Hispanic whites than there are poor blacks.
Roughly 3/4 of blacks are *NOT* poor.


Es99, your statement is flat out wrong.

Excuse me, but your stereotypes are showing.

According to you statistics, you are twice as likely to be poor if you are black rather than white. How is that not anything to do with race?

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According to you statistics, you are twice as likely to be poor if you are black rather than white. How is that not anything to do with race?

Racial behaviour goes both ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahkwAsth-o

Here Are the Real Reasons Why We White People Struggle to Admit That Racism Still Exists

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I have to ask Clyde does or would it be possible to have so called "shock Jocks" charge with hate speech .

and if not charge then sued if a riot starts and there contributing to by what there saying ?

I think you can be charged here now. There was a very big incident 10 years ago or more where a shock Jock caused a riot in Cronulla South of Sydney involving 15,000 plus ppl and was against Muslims ........:-(

He's still on Air just a bit quieter . Alan Johns At 2GB

And before your stat , there's free speech and hate speech disaign to cause trouble AKA: for the ratings on a T.V channel or Radio channel not a political speech by a person running for office or a Editor of a paper

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Here Are the Real Reasons Why We White People Struggle to Admit That Racism Still Exists

James Utt is speaking for himself, and his internal racism, or course.

The same, as I have heard Anti-Semites, who believe that most Non-Jews are Anti-Semites, in their hearts.

Utt is no different. Why Utt and others, project their own racism upon others, they neither know nor understand. Is the great mystery.

Aren't we getting tired of the bigots, who state:

Most Black People are...

Most Gay People are...

Most Women are...

Most Whites are...

Most Men are...

Most Asians are...

Most Non-Gays are...

Most Jews are...

Most Muslims are...

Those that state Most (fill-in the group) are (fill-in the negative), are the scum of the Earth.

For once I agree with Clyde. I read several of Mr. Utt's examples where he talked about most/all the white people around him and how they reacted to specific events. The white people around me did not react in the manner Mr. Utt describes to these specific events. I suspect Mr. Utt has a stereotype and he is out looking for that stereotype to verify it, and he looks hard enough he will find an occasional example and provide his proof while ignoring dozens of counter examples. Of course, Mr. Utt could only know whites who are members of the KKK, which might be possible depending on where he lives.

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For once I agree with Clyde. I read several of Mr. Utt's examples where he talked about most/all the white people around him and how they reacted to specific events. The white people around me did not react in the manner Mr. Utt describes to these specific events.

Yet I have seen those very reactions right here on these very forums.

I suspect Mr. Utt has a stereotype and he is out looking for that stereotype to verify it, and he looks hard enough he will find an occasional example and provide his proof while ignoring dozens of counter examples. Of course, Mr. Utt could only know whites who are members of the KKK, which might be possible depending on where he lives.

I don't think you have to look that far.

I was actually hoping for a little self reflection, but I guess I was asking too much.

The irony of your post is that in the very article he writes:

"When someone calls us as White people out for racist behavior or language, we are almost never being accused of being card-carrying members of the KKK."

So why are you bringing up the KKK?

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