Another way of cutting debt is to increase income. How about taxing the rich rather than constantly punishing the poor?

How about taxing the high income and not the middle class? The low income 47% don't pay already.

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I say if the federal government refuses to cut spending to a point where our national debt begins a sustained downward trend, and if shutting down the government is the only way to cut spending, then I'm all for a government shutdown. Shutting down the government would be less painful than what will come next if we don't start paying down our debt. (Paying down our debt, by default, would reverse the trend of centralizing all power and control inside the beltway.)

A state's budget is not the same as your average household budget. The whole idea that suddenly Americas debt is so massive that it becomes a problem in the immediate future is just a Republican myth they have used to attack Obama's policies. I mean, if they themselves had cared so much about a sustainable budget, they wouldn't be promoting cutting taxes and indulging in a bunch of pointless wars that costs billions. Really, the last time the US's budget was able to reduce the debt was under Clinton, and not under any Republican. And it will never happen under a republican as long as they keep up with their ridiculous financial policies of giving everyone tax breaks and pouring billions into the pockets of big business while financially strangling the 99%.

No, lets call this what this is really about. The Republicans love spending money they don't have just as much as the Democrats do. What they don't love is spending that money on things like welfare, poverty relief, planned parenthood and Obamacare. The only reason they talk about the debt like its going to destroy America any moment now is to then use that as an excuse to cut into welfare programs and go after Obamacare. This is further evidenced by the fact that when the Republicans and Democrats had to come up budget cuts, the Republicans refused to for example cut in the military budget, one of the things Republicans do love wasting billions of dollars on.

And do you really think that if the government shuts down it will stop spending money and therefor stop increasing its debt? Really, does a store that isn't running very well save money if it stops opening for a few weeks? Of course not, that ruins the store. The same is true for the government. Just because some idiots decide to not clear the funds doesn't mean the government suddenly no longer has to pay for stuff. It means the government is just not allowed to pay for stuff. But after the funds clear, those people will just come knocking asking for the money the government still owes them.

It is obvious you all want to discuss "What is religion" not "Government Shutdown"

Should I just change the thread title and reboot the shutdown discussion in another thread? Or can you all move your religion discussion out of this thread?

OB: I think the tea flavor koolaid drinkers will manufacture a reason to shutdown the government because they smell blood in the water. I think they want to disrupt with outrageous actions very much the same as any terrorist, not to get change, but as a recruitment tactic. Reminds me of an ISIL video.

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Reality Internet Personality

Sarge, any state which *relies* on federal funding to maintain *any* state program. (ya… ya… blue states pay for red states if you google it, but there are several things those data collectors are not taking into consideration such as military installations and large government contractors. Besides, that’s immaterial. So, before you point this out let me say YES, let the RED states fail! Though, I’m sure you’d see something different.)

As someone that grew up in a blue state (though it was not obvious to me until I left), I know there are several bases there. (Including a major base where Air National Guard had people report for monthly duty. Care to guess how I know that?) I'm sure that's still true after the cutbacks of the Clinton era.

So, while I dislike the idea of important things being left out of consideration, I wonder if, across the red, blue and purple states, the expenditures (or percentages?) wind up about equal or not.

As for your last few sentences, well, it's been posted about here before and I've done some additional search-engining (Google is not my go to for searches but I occasionally use Google Scholar).

I think you know me well enough to know that I am not going to post something if I do not know a lot about it, unless I am throwing an idea or a question out there. So, why this suggestion "I'm sure you'd see something different"?

Guy who is now Brutus, you are smoking better stuff than is allowed in my part of the country.

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Guy who is now Brutus, you are smoking better stuff than is allowed in my part of the country.

This "currency reset" is what was behind the video Ron Paul kept advertising on TV all summer. I watched maybe 30 minutes of it and heard of no concrete suggestions for how to survive it, let alone whether to believe it is coming. I believe it all stems from belief in Revelations. So, if anybody's got any evidence that it's deeper than end times hysteria, start posting it.

Guy who is now Brutus, you are smoking better stuff than is allowed in my part of the country.

This "currency reset" is what was behind the video Ron Paul kept advertising on TV all summer. I watched maybe 30 minutes of it and heard of no concrete suggestions for how to survive it, let alone whether to believe it is coming. I believe it all stems from belief in Revelations. So, if anybody's got any evidence that it's deeper than end times hysteria, start posting it.

If there really was going to be this "currency reset" the feds would have been forced to put $500 and $1000 bills back into circulation. We might get a little beep when the penny goes away, but I wouldn't call that a reset.

Oh how to survive it is advertised on the news radio station I listen to for the traffic reports going in to work in the morning. The ad is for a currency exchange with limit orders, forward contracts, hedging tools, etc. You do have to know how to play the game or you can get burned real bad.

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Guy who is now Brutus, you are smoking better stuff than is allowed in my part of the country.

This "currency reset" is what was behind the video Ron Paul kept advertising on TV all summer. I watched maybe 30 minutes of it and heard of no concrete suggestions for how to survive it, let alone whether to believe it is coming. I believe it all stems from belief in Revelations. So, if anybody's got any evidence that it's deeper than end times hysteria, start posting it.

If there really was going to be this "currency reset" the feds would have been forced to put $500 and $1000 bills back into circulation. We might get a little beep when the penny goes away, but I wouldn't call that a reset.

Oh how to survive it is advertised on the news radio station I listen to for the traffic reports going in to work in the morning. The ad is for a currency exchange with limit orders, forward contracts, hedging tools, etc. You do have to know how to play the game or you can get burned real bad.

So, no extra guns, 3 months worth of food and magic-don't-get-sick-from-radiation medicine?

The few times I have used 'Old Fashioned' money. Any 'change' is placed into a Piggy Bank for Christmas.

Here a lot of old coins and notes are going to be invalid in a year or so.
Check your Piggy Banks:)

It's a problem though if you go to a bank with the Piggy.
You cannot change your spares because the bank wont let you.
Why?
They think it's money laundry or terrorist money.

"In Banks we trust".

The few times I have used 'Old Fashioned' money. Any 'change' is placed into a Piggy Bank for Christmas.

Here a lot of old coins and notes are going to be invalid in a year or so.
Check your Piggy Banks:)

It's a problem though if you go to a bank with the Piggy.
You cannot change your spares because the bank wont let you.
Why?
They think it's money laundry or terrorist money.

"In Banks we trust".

So true. Got a form letter from a nameless bank about two weeks ago. You now must present valid government issued ID to deposit cash!

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The few times I have used 'Old Fashioned' money. Any 'change' is placed into a Piggy Bank for Christmas.

Here a lot of old coins and notes are going to be invalid in a year or so.
Check your Piggy Banks:)

It's a problem though if you go to a bank with the Piggy.
You cannot change your spares because the bank wont let you.
Why?
They think it's money laundry or terrorist money.

"In Banks we trust".

So true. Got a form letter from a nameless bank about two weeks ago. You now must present valid government issued ID to deposit cash!

Same here!
Once a cashier demanded me to show my ID when I was about to deposit some money.
I succeeded to throw my ID on her table for display in within 1 second.
Almost magic:)

"In common people we dont trust"

Out of control congressman badgers and interrupts Planned Parenthood head 19 times in 5 minutes

Watch the video. His behaviour has nothing to do with getting at the truth and is disgusting. He won't even let her speak.

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So, why this suggestion "I'm sure you'd see something different"?

If the blue states no longer paid and the red states no longer recieved, I'm betting the blue states would become less efficient, more bloated, more wasteful and more intrusive because of a sudden windfall of money. The state politicians wouldn't be able to exercise any control and would proceed to go on a spending spree and restructure their budgets to spend it all from here to eternity. And that's fine. The 10th amendment allows them to make that choice. The red states would become more efficient because they'd have to figure out how to survive on less.

You make the wealthy more efficient by taking their money away from them and give it to the less well off, though you make the less well of less efficient at the same time? So blue states should burn the money instead of sending it to the red states (keeping the wealthy efficient and helping the less well off become efficient)?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

So, is it time to buy and hoard as much gold as you can get your hands on for the impending switch to the barter system?

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

So, is it time to buy and hoard as much gold as you can get your hands on for the impending switch to the barter system?

I think the gold hawkers might be making a profit from convincing us to purchase gold.

Gold is a fairly good store of value, but not so much as a medium of exchange, it is too bulky to move around in rapid manner.

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