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 BilBg  Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 
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I had great graphics. I ran a whole bunch of tasks (look at my credits) without having to worry if they had seti-graphics attached I don't understand why you now "have to worry" if there are seti-graphics or not I could close BOINC so it wouldn't clog up my dock or top menu and the screensaver still worked fine. I don't know what is "dock" or "top menu" but why (what do you mean) you can't "close BOINC" now? The answer is, obviously, I violated the rule “if it aint broke, dont fix it†It's more and more clear to me that what you observe must be coincidence (and not consequence of BOINC version change) Looking again on Applications page: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php - see the dates of the optimized apps: Mac OS X/64-bit Intel 7.07 (avx) 18 Sep 2015, 18:34:25 UTC Mac OS X/64-bit Intel 7.07 (sse41) 18 Sep 2015, 18:34:25 UTC Mac OS X/64-bit Intel 7.07 (ssse3) 18 Sep 2015, 18:34:25 UTC Maybe they didn't existed at all before 18 Sep 2015 And very probably they don't have graphics parts P.S. Another user is having similar coincidence - he is thinking (wrongly) that "El Capitan" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_El_Capitan) made his computer faster for SETI@home tasks (but in fact he just received the new apps): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78321&postid=1733670#1733670 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78321&postid=1733925#1733925 "So what you're all saying is that the new faster SSE versions of the OS X client came out about the same time as we upgraded to El Capitan? Is that correct?"    - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) ID: 1734132 ·  |
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Charlie Fenton Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 35 Credit: 6,090,490 RAC: 5 |
I'll try to explain / translate a bit here. I could close BOINC so it wouldn't clog up my dock or top menu and the screensaver still worked fine. I don't know what is "dock" or "top menu" but why (what do you mean) you can't "close BOINC" now? The Dock on the Mac is a bit like the task bar on Windows. On the Mac, the BOINC Manager appears both in the Dock (usually at the bottom of the screen) and in the menu bar at the top of the screen; both have the same menu as the BOINC task bar icon on Windows. Apparently Nicholas feels these are too much clutter so he quits (exits) the Manager. This of course also exits the client. But, unlike on Windows and Linux, the BOINC screensaver on the Mac launches the client if it is not running, so BOINC will compute when the screensaver is running even though he has quit the Manager. I suspect Nicholas thinks that BOINC is not computing because he does not see the SETI screensaver. We have been trying to explain that is not true; the graphics are just "eye candy" and are not necessary for BOINC to do work. If the project application (in this case SETI) does not have a project screensaver, you will only see the generic, or "default" screensaver, as I explained in this post. If for any reason BOINC is not running, the default screensaver will show BOINC is not running. In this post] I asked: What does the screensaver say about BOINC? Does it say "BOINC is not running" or something else?but never received an answer. Charlie Fenton BOINC / SETI@home Macintosh & Windows Programmer ID: 1734135 · |
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Nicholas Kayser Send message Joined: 3 Sep 09 Posts: 20 Credit: 517,235 RAC: 0 
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I never thought that. I just like the screensaver graphics. I merely initially made the false assumption that the change in the BOINC version being used was related to lack of the SETI screensaver when it is now clear that it is merely the case that at the same time I switched to the new version I started getting more tasks that do not come with graphics for the SETI screensaver. ID: 1734254 · |
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Nicholas Kayser Send message Joined: 3 Sep 09 Posts: 20 Credit: 517,235 RAC: 0
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... but switching to 7.6.10 didn't seem to bring the graphics back. As near as I can tell, all of the current graphics do not come with screensaver graphics. For the names of all the tasks being run, I will give you them as they are listed in the BOINC manager, listing what application they are and the task name: Application: SETI@home v7 7.07 (avx) Task Name: 25no11aa.27145.5400.438086664204.12.71.vlar Application: SETI@home v7 7.07 (ssse3) Task Name: 14oc11ac.22341.15609.438086664199.12.58.vlar Application: Astropulse v7 7.01 (opencl_intel_gpu_mac) Task Name: ap_06ap11ac_B5_P0_00221_20151005_20375.wu Not sure if that is what you are looking for, but you can also check my computer profile to see my tasks to find the tasks I referred to. One thing that I have noticed so far is that tasks that run under the application SETI@home v7 7.00 have had the SETI screensaver graphics. ID: 1734257 · |
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Nicholas Kayser Send message Joined: 3 Sep 09 Posts: 20 Credit: 517,235 RAC: 0
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Sorry, somehow this got posted twice. ID: 1734258 · |
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0
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As near as I can tell, all of the current Graphics (SETI@home graphics, any projects' graphics) is not part of a task/WU - it is part of the applications All tasks are "the same". Any task can be computed by different applications - on CPU (plain, SSEx, AVX) or on GPU (CUDA, OpenCL), on Windows, Linux, Mac, Android The same task (the same file) you do by app which shows SETI@home graphics will be done on other computer by app which have no graphics (or vice versa) For the names of all the tasks being run ... No - the task/WU names are visible on web: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7463327&offset=0&show_names=1&state=0&appid= I wanted to know: "Copy/Paste here the names of all the executables you have in SETI@home directory" - like: setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin I will try to find them on the server and try to see if they have graphics parts One thing that I have noticed so far is that tasks that run under the application SETI@home v7 7.00 have had the SETI screensaver graphics. We already know that - by what I posted above: "This one have both Computing part (setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin) and Graphics part (setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin) on the SETI@home servers - as you can check by Download/saving files from these links: http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin " Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)Â ID: 1734292 · |
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Nicholas Kayser Send message Joined: 3 Sep 09 Posts: 20 Credit: 517,235 RAC: 0
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Sorry about that, I meant to type in tasks there.
Okay, sorry about that. I'm new to actually looking at the individual file names for all of this stuff. I'm looking, but for some reason these are the closest I can find to what you are looking for: astropulse_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__opencl_intel_gpu_mac setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__avx setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__sse41 setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__ssse3 setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin I know they look different than what you asked, having the x87_64 which was apparently a problem, those are what are in the file setiathome.berkeley.edu. Any other apple-darwin files are txt files.
Sorry if I'm repeating what we already know. In any case, I'm just glad I now know that the reason I'm not getting many tasks that come with the seti screensaver is simply because those tasks don't have one. I'm one of those people that likes to know why something is happening. ID: 1734470 · |
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0
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I'm looking, but for some reason these are the closest I can find to what you are looking for: Doesn't OS X have special icon or term (like Application/Program/Executable) to show which file is executable? Note: All the Download links can be made by appending the executable file name to: http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/ Results: All the Computing parts are at the usual place (now I know that the names end with e.g. "__avx" and not "_avx"): (you may click the links and get the files just as experiment - e g to scan them on https://www.virustotal.com/en/) http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__opencl_intel_gpu_mac http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__avx http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__sse41 http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__ssse3 But there are no Graphics parts for these 4 apps (Click): http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/ap_graphics_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__opencl_intel_gpu_mac http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setigraphics_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__avx http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setigraphics_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__sse41 http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setigraphics_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__ssse3 I now know that the reason I'm not getting many tasks that come with the seti screensaver is simply because those tasks don't have one No task have graphics in it E.g. for this WU (06mr11aa.28126.6615.438086664204.12.101) you will see graphics (SETI@home v7 v7.00): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1915007276 ... because your computer will use setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin to compute this task (06mr11aa.28126.6615.438086664204.12.101_0) and setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin can share some of what it computes with the graphics "pair" setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin which will show graphics. (setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin is started only by screensaver or by [Show graphics] button.) But the other person who use SETI@home v7 v7.00 (cuda42) application to compute absolutely the same WU (he receives absolutely the same file 06mr11aa.28126.6615.438086664204.12.101) will not see any graphics because no CUDA application used for SETI@home have graphics pair/part So Graphics do not depend on task/WU - it depends on which app is used to compute the task P.S. In fact there is a way you can see graphics for any task you have by running some "test" outside of BOINC This will not serve any meaningful purpose (results can't be sent back to SETI@home = CPU cycles will be lost) But you will see graphics during Computing Are you interested to know how? (At least I know how to do that on Windows, maybe it will work also on OS X) Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)Â ID: 1734850 · |
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Nicholas Kayser Send message Joined: 3 Sep 09 Posts: 20 Credit: 517,235 RAC: 0
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Not that I can tell. But again, I've never really looked at these until now. Note: All the Download links can be made by appending the executable file name to: I tried the second set of links and got this error: nginx error! The page you are looking for is not found. Website Administrator Something has triggered missing webpage on your website. This is the default 404 error page for nginx that is distributed with EPEL. It is located /usr/share/nginx/html/404.html You should customize this error page for your own site or edit the error_page directive in the nginx configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf. [ Powered by nginx ] [ Powered by Fedora EPEL ]
What I meant was that there is no separate corresponding graphics file for the task. P.S. I might be interested in it just to see how it works. That said, I want to thank you for all of the information. I can't say I understand all of it beyond the very basics. Also, I'm no long really concerned about the graphics anymore. My main reason for posting in this thread was to understand why it seemed that the graphics suddenly stopped showing up. Now, however, I understand that is is merely a case that certain tasks don't come with a corresponding Seti Graphics screensaver. I'm basically just happy to know what was going on. ID: 1734932 · |
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0
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I tried the second set of links and got this error: Yes, the first set of links gives you files to Download and the second set of links gives you this error I might be interested in it just to see how it works. OK, just for fun ... (involves only simple things like Copy, Rename files and Start / End some programs) 1) First you have to be sure you know how to terminate (kill) processes (will be needed later - in # 4) E)): http://osxdaily.com/2010/08/15/mac-task-manager/ Start Activity Monitor and see the BOINC and SETI@home processes running: boinc boincmgr (I'm not sure of the exact name) setiathome_7.07_x86_64-apple-darwin__avx setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin ... 2) Now Exit BOINC (as you normally/usually do this - e.g. from BOINC menu) and see how those processes vanish from the Activity Monitor list (be sure there are no BOINC and SETI@home processes running before next steps) 3) Go to SETI@home directory (<BOINC_Data>\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\) - Make a Copy of SETI@home directory (in any convenient place) - Rename the Copy to e.g. TEST_setiathome.berkeley.edu (Rename is just to easy know you are in the Copy) 4) Now we begin the interesting part * From now on we will work only in the Copy - TEST_setiathome.berkeley.edu    A) - Find any SETI@home WU - they have size ~ 370 KB and names like: 27ap11ab.18861.7838.438086664204.12.4 27se11ac.15569.45968.438086664198.12.32.vlar 06mr11aa.28126.6615.438086664204.12.101 14oc11ac.22341.15609.438086664199.12.58.vlar Note: they are plain text files - can be opened by any text editor and the first line is: <workunit> (Do Not use files with similar names but the size is 20-30 KB and the first line <result>)    B) - Now Rename one of the SETI@home WUs to: work_unit.sah    C) - Start (Run) setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin In Activity Monitor you will see it running and using ~25% CPU (25% = one core of your 4 core CPU)    D) - Start (Run) setigraphics_7.00_i686-apple-darwin Now you should see the graphics in full screen (Hit any key to end it, start setigraphics_* again to see it)    E) - Now (after you no more want to look at graphics) you will want to Kill/End setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin by Activity Monitor It will end by itself but after a few hours (after the WU is computed) To save CPU cycles kill it now. If you want - Rename another SETI@home WUs to work_unit.sah and see its graphics END - before starting BOINC be sure no setiathome_7.00_i686-apple-darwin process is running  - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) ID: 1735370 · |
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0
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Seems the column have name of "Kind" - but this is in TotalFinder: http://fusiongrokker.com/post/totalfinder-a-better-finder-for-your-mac  Maybe you will find something interesting here: 10 Tips for a Better Finder Experience http://computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/10-tips-for-a-better-finder-experience--mac-3638 Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)Â ID: 1735375 · |
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Horacio Gáñez Alcolea Send message Joined: 17 Jul 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 222,758 RAC: 1 
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The same problem on BOINC 7.6.12 on Mac. In Task tab, with "Executing" task selected, "Show Graphics" button is greyed out. [img]/Users/Horacio/Desktop/BOINC Manager.jpg[/img] ID: 1738408 · |
Jord  Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 
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As already has been said in this thread, there are no graphics when tasks run on the graphical processing unit (GPU), in your case on your AMD Radeon HD 4670. The only graphics available are on tasks run only on the CPU. But you have another problem, you were getting sent applications that you shouldn't have. You got opencl_ati5_mac and opencl_ati5zc_mac applications. The '5' in the name of this application states that this application is for AMD HD 5xxx GPUs and above only, not for the AMD HD 4xxx GPUs such as yours. (I did forward that to the developers of this project as it shouldn't ever get these apps in the first place). All is still not good though, as even when you get the default application, opencl_ati_mac sent work errs on it. I guess it's because of the small amount of memory on the GPU, really a minimum of 512MB is necessary. So in your case, you best go ahead to the Seti project preferences, edit them, and uncheck "Use ATI GPU", then save the changes with the "Update preferences" button at the bottom of the page. The next time BOINC will now ask for work, you will only get work for your CPU sent, and with that be able to see the graphics again. ID: 1738579 · |
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Rick Buis Send message Joined: 3 Oct 12 Posts: 3 Credit: 88,103 RAC: 0 
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I have had the same difficulties and found that I can get the seti graphics by processing only applications named SETI@home v7 7.00 To get these jobs abort any of the other jobs and eventually SETI will upload the V7 7.00 jobs. It kind of figures out what you want to run. When I run any other job I just get the information screen. Hope this helps Rick ID: 1745965 · |
Zalster   Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242
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You might want to look at this thread in the Mac thread. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78408&postid=1738599 The V7 7.00 are the older applications that still have graphics ID: 1745968 · |
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Dave Hamann Send message Joined: 1 Jan 16 Posts: 17 Credit: 429 RAC: 0 
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Just as a recommendation if anyone has problems with this. Try to install BOINC 8 first and see if anything changes. If not, post here again! The proud owner of IGCSE World. ID: 1753128 · |
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Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3
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There is no BOINC 8 yet, the latest release is 7.6.22 Seti though have released their version 8 science applications - for the CPU only for the moment. These do come with graphics. ID: 1753131 · |
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Horacio Gáñez Alcolea Send message Joined: 17 Jul 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 222,758 RAC: 1
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Problem solved with BOINC Manager 7.6.22. ID: 1757111 · |
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0
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Problem solved with BOINC Manager 7.6.22. Wrong conclusion  - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) ID: 1757608 · |
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