It was and always will be, that religions don't like those who try to find out and use the original texts, look up John Wycliffe.

His translation, the first into English from the oldest "original" he could find the Latin Vulgate, so incensed the Popes that even after he had been dead and buried for years, one of them ordered his bones be dug up, crushed and dispersed in the river.

Think of the ramifications, if the entire public knew all the things as they really are, there would be no Christianity, no tax shelters, and countless religious figures would lose their livelihood. Political decisions would no longer be tied to complete nonsense. (I guess they would come up with some other nonsense to justify their wishes.)

Steve

And the more that people are educated, then the greater the chances of all these wrongs being corrected. It's not that an educated person knows everything, but it increases the chances that they will know someone who does.

i.e. I have a friendly acquaintance who just so happens to be a retired tax inspector. Guess who pays less taxes now.

And the more that people are educated, then the greater the chances of all these wrongs being corrected. It's not that an educated person knows everything, but it increases the chances that they will know someone who does.

i.e. I have a friendly acquaintance who just so happens to be a retired tax inspector. Guess who pays less taxes now.

One of the things I have posted before, is a saying from one of Stephen King's books.
"The more you know, the less you believe."

Steve

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In October 1510 Luther, the pious monk, arose from his bunk at the Augustinian monastery in Erfurt, located in central Germany, and prepared himself for a journey of 850 miles south on foot to the eternal city of Rome.

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_did_Martin_Luther_witness_in_Rome_that_upset_him

Some of the Italian clergy however were flippantly unbelieving and would address the sacrament saying "Bread thou art and bread thou wilt remain." To a devout believer from the unsophisticated Northland such disclosures were truly shocking.

If true, one wonders:

1) Were they just jerks, but believers?
2) Or, were they non-believers? If so, why were they priests? What did they know (if anything) that they weren't telling the followers?!?

For I think over 200 years, the public wasn't aloud to read the scriptures, as they were so full of holes, that a 10 year old could see through them. It was only much later, after many changes and the convention of keeping this as orthodox, and discarding that as heresy, would they make the scriptures available for some of the public to read. For the most part, they were intentionally deceived, and that is still true today.

Steve

Did you mean not allowed for 1500 years?

Thought experiment: if those priests actually were believers, still, what did they know that made them make that joke about the bread?

And the more that people are educated, then the greater the chances of all these wrongs being corrected. It's not that an educated person knows everything, but it increases the chances that they will know someone who does.
i.e. I have a friendly acquaintance who just so happens to be a retired tax inspector. Guess who pays less taxes now.

One of the things I have posted before, is a saying from one of Stephen King's books.
"The more you know, the less you believe."
Steve

The more you learn, the more you learn that it's more to learn:)

When two priests meet on the street they have too look away from each other lest they break out laughing.

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When the devil becomes old, he becomes religious.

When two priests meet on the street they have too look away from each other lest they break out laughing.

Having had the experience of a Catholic priest flip me the bird and take the name of the lord in vain, I' sure that is so true. Then again the priest at my father's Episcopal church is a Jew.

Was it not written, We testify to that which we have seen, and speak of that which we have known.

Personally, Never met the guy.

However, it is also written, in several places of the Judeo-Christian Scripture that it is sealed to man's understanding until a particular time in history.

That I do know about.

The mind is wholly linguistic by function. It is sealed not by magic, but by principles of language which are not functionally resident in the mind of man. That is why at a particular time in human history, someone would be sent, Christ spoke of that time, to teach man Law. Language is effected as standards of behavior, Standards of behavior is called Law.

As was written, the Book is a test of the mind of man. I think people should read it more carefully, after learning how to think.

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When the devil becomes old, he becomes religious.

Have you read the Marquis de Sade's "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Atheist?"

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When the devil becomes old, he becomes religious.

Have you read the Marquis de Sade's "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Atheist?"

No.
I didn't even know that Marquis de Sade was in to religous stuff.
I thought he was more secular.

It's just a small phamplet, about 15 pages.

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It's just a small phamplet, about 15 pages.

I think I found it here.
http://www.sade-ecrivain.com/Dialogue-Between-a-Priest-and-a-Dying-Man.html
Seems like de Sade was very much an atheist.

PRIEST - Come to this the fatal hour when at last from the eyes of deluded man the scales must fall away, and be shown the cruel picture of his errors and his vices - say, my son, do you not repent the host of sins unto which you were led by weakness and human frailty?
DYING MAN - Yes, my friend, I do repent.

PRIEST - Rejoice then in these pangs of remorse, during the brief space remaining to you profit therefrom to obtain Heaven’s general absolution for your sins, and be mindful of it, only through the mediation of the Most Holy Sacrament of penance will you be granted it by the Eternal.
DYING MAN - I do not understand you, any more than you have understood me.

PRIEST - Eh?
DYING MAN - I told you that I repented.

PRIEST - I heard you say it.
DYING MAN - Yes, but without understanding it.

Was it not written, We testify to that which we have seen, and speak of that which we have known.

Personally, Never met the guy.

However, it is also written, in several places of the Judeo-Christian Scripture that it is sealed to man's understanding until a particular time in history.

That I do know about.

The mind is wholly linguistic by function. It is sealed not by magic, but by principles of language which are not functionally resident in the mind of man. That is why at a particular time in human history, someone would be sent, Christ spoke of that time, to teach man Law. Language is effected as standards of behavior, Standards of behavior is called Law.

As was written, the Book is a test of the mind of man. I think people should read it more carefully, after learning how to think.

But if Christ was a human invention, then what? Should I not use the brain that I have?

Steve

Edit: We should all pick up the rock, and look under it. See what is there, and make a decision afterwords.

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Philo;

"As was written, the Book is a test of the mind of man. I think people should read it more carefully, after learning how to think."

What book?

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Philo;

"As was written, the Book is a test of the mind of man. I think people should read it more carefully, after learning how to think."

What book?

The Quran?

Thanks Steve...

Sorry for the delay. Having trouble with a new computer.

The more you learn, the more you learn that it's more to learn:)

100% Janne.

Any thoughts on what I posted regarding Luther's trip to Rome?

No, but if they had burned him as a heretic they would have saved the world a lot of trouble.

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My thought is, what stopped him from going beyond simply thinking it was due to a corrupt Catholic church? What stopped him from going a step further, from thinking maybe the whole thing was a big charade?

My thought is, what stopped him from going beyond simply thinking it was due to a corrupt Catholic church? What stopped him from going a step further, from thinking maybe the whole thing was a big charade?

He didn't believe that.

He would readily admit to "The Sins" of his Church, the Priests, and Parishioners, by saying in different ways: 'We (meaning all people in his Church), including The Holy Father, are sinners'.

But, he believed the Church's Theology (Not Organization) was True. He separated the two. And never, excepting by example, attempted to 'convert' me. He did understand me.

He was a very intelligent, and good man. He recently 'Passed'.

If his beliefs have some validity: I know where he is.

I was referring to Luther and his reaction to (among other things), "Bread thou art and bread thou shall remain."

My thought is, what stopped him from going beyond simply thinking it was due to a corrupt Catholic church? What stopped him from going a step further, from thinking maybe the whole thing was a big charade?

He didn't believe that.

He would readily admit to "The Sins" of his Church, the Priests, and Parishioners, by saying in different ways: 'We (meaning all people in his Church), including The Holy Father, are sinners'.

But, he believed the Church's Theology (Not Organization) was True. He separated the two. And never, excepting by example, attempted to 'convert' me. He did understand me.

He was a very intelligent, and good man. He recently 'Passed'.

If his beliefs have some validity: I know where he is.

I was referring to Luther and his reaction to (among other things), "Bread thou art and bread thou shall remain."

Oh.

Perhaps Luther's belief was similar to my Father 'C'. Believing in The Foundational Theology. But believing the Roman Catholic Church was heretical in its actions.

That's possible.
I believe it's 1 of about 3 ways things could've gone down.
I wonder if it being a charade ever even crossed his mind but he was too afraid to think more about that, let alone speak it aloud.