The question of was Jesus the son of God will be answer'd shortly in the next 30-70 years .

Either what is happening now in the Ukraine an middle east was foretold in the BIBLE and by the great sears and therefore will prove there is a GOD or

as i think because ppl believe in the Bible and great sears the subconscious has lead us all on a path that imitate's the Bible however Jesus will not come down in a cloud from heaven and save a few before the end

So unless E.T contacts use very soon and comes down to us in a big cloud (caused by the exhaust gasses coming from there ship) a lot of ppl are going to be very disappointed .

Jesus was just a man and a very common name back then . Guess we will all find out soon .

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Most 'Accepted' History and Personalities (or as us Teachers of History say: A Story - Agreed to), have been initially written by The Victors, people with their own Agenda, Decades or Centuries after the Event, etc.

Similar to The Nazarene.

Do you also dismiss this History?

You give your own answer: people with their own Agenda, Decades or Centuries after the Event,

The authors of the Tanakh and the Bible did have agendas and wrote from their tribe's view point as the default, proper and 'good' view point. Much of what was written down was oral history that mutated for centuries before being put to page and much is borrowed from other tribes and areas. The story of the Flood maybe from as far away as the Chad lake basin during it's peak waters period.

Major parts of those histories have been dismissed by archaeology. The Exodus never occurred as written. 1st century historian Josepheus was the earliest that made the connection of the biblical Exodus story to the Canaanite Hyksos kings that were driven from Egypt back into Canaan and modern Tel-Aviv archaeologists suggest he was correct. Those Hysos were NOT slaves, nor weaponless, nor poor. In the times of Joseph, the Hebrews were Canaanites fighting a religious civil war against fellow Bhaal-worshipping Canaanites as they fight their closest genetic ethnic group, the Palestinians, in modern times.

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Either what is happening now in the Ukraine an middle east was foretold in the BIBLE and by the great sears and therefore will prove there is a GOD

Really? You know people have been making this claim for over a nearly two thousand years. The end times are NOW was made as far back the Essenes in 70 AD.

So how about you provide some evidence for this Ukraine prediction?

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Remember God's first commandment: You shall have no other God than me.

All that say's to me, is that this so called God was telling Abraham to have him as his only God, and not to worship any other Gods. i.e. there are or were many gods.

marmot i have stopped telling what i found out back in 1998-1999 while researching the dead sea scrolls but if you look you can find the story of how what is happening now was foretold .

you just won't find actual prophecy that says this or that , however you will find that certain events are happening the way they where said .

eg: "12 months after a cat 5 cyclone hits the East cost of America new york will fall "

This is a prophecy by ........you figure it out , clue his name is in the Bible and was made in 1995 - to 1997 and another clue he was arrested and had to prove his case of not being a terrorist . The case was called GOD veres the U.S.A and he won the case you can look it up but you figure out where and when and who i'm talking about and he won by .

The judge indolged the defendant and took him into his chambers to here who his prophecy's where about as he calmed it was not about the president of America .

" i was talking about Yitzhak Rabin , he will be shot by one of his own ppl"

When the case resumed on the Monday as he had told the judge on Friday Yikzhaak Rabin was shot and killed by a Israeli

the cat 5 cyclone hit America in 9/11 2000 guess what time it made landfall 8.46 am

Now i warn you this man has been refer'd to by another sear as the false prophet in the End times and scares the freaking hell outa me , way to dam accurate to be a fluke or guess and i saying he has not been wrong and has made so many prophecy's and they have all come true that's 100% of them

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Glenn is starting to come off a lot like another member from a while back who was conducting research into ancient texts and who was about to publish his findings as an answer to everything.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

No Bob , i was curious about the dead sea scrolls as i had herd it was like the bible but there was some differences . Like the miricules Jesus had done where not in that text . However i Ended up way off the subject of the dead sea scrolls at a web site where this fellow was making theses claims .

I still don't understand how i found out some of the things i did or why i understand certain things so now i try to keep quiet as i possiblly can about what i expect to happen next as those that reveal the secrets of the closed book of David are cursed and my life had gone belly up 12 months after i started telling people we are in the End of Days at the time i did know about the curse but i do now .

So i'll allway be cryptic from now on if you wish to know then you will have to figure it out yourself's

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marmot i have stopped telling what i found out back in 1998-1999 while researching the dead sea scrolls but if you look you can find the story of how what is happening now was foretold .

you just won't find actual prophecy that says this or that , however you will find that certain events are happening the way they where said .

eg: "12 months after a cat 5 cyclone hits the East cost of America new york will fall "

This is a prophecy by ........you figure it out , clue his name is in the Bible and was made in 1995 - to 1997 and another clue he was arrested and had to prove his case of not being a terrorist . The case was called GOD veres the U.S.A and he won the case you can look it up but you figure out where and when and who i'm talking about and he won by .

The judge indolged the defendant and took him into his chambers to here who his prophecy's where about as he calmed it was not about the president of America .

" i was talking about Yitzhak Rabin , he will be shot by one of his own ppl"

When the case resumed on the Monday as he had told the judge on Friday Yikzhaak Rabin was shot and killed by a Israeli

the cat 5 cyclone hit America in 9/11 2000 guess what time it made landfall 8.46 am

Now i warn you this man has been refer'd to by another sear as the false prophet in the End times and scares the freaking hell outa me , way to dam accurate to be a fluke or guess and i saying he has not been wrong and has made so many prophecy's and they have all come true that's 100% of them

Post a link! Use the [ url= ] link [ /url ] codes...

I'm not going to spend hours searching for obscure links to prove your obscure suppositions when you could easily provide the link, if it exists.

I'm 99% sure that the Dead Sea Scrolls have absolutely no entry that translates to "12 months after a cat 5 cyclone hits the East cost of America new york will fall"...

Are you saying you won't provide evidence because you are afraid being cursed?

Are you trolling or are you serious?

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No Bob , i was curious about the dead sea scrolls as i had herd it was like the bible but there was some differences . Like the miricules Jesus had done where not in that text . However i Ended up way off the subject of the dead sea scrolls at a web site where this fellow was making theses claims .

I still don't understand how i found out some of the things i did or why i understand certain things so now i try to keep quiet as i possiblly can about what i expect to happen next as those that reveal the secrets of the closed book of David are cursed and my life had gone belly up 12 months after i started telling people we are in the End of Days at the time i did know about the curse but i do now .

So i'll allway be cryptic from now on if you wish to know then you will have to figure it out yourself's

The religious "End of days, we are all soon doomed" is a too often repeated meme... Is it a consequence of misplaced fatalism? Or a very clever and cynical Marketing scam to have the true believers give up and hand over all their worldly goods for the very worldly benefit of whichever doomsayer?...

In the vastness of the internet, there must be a good list of such memes nicely collected somewhere.

Meanwhile from my brief search for enlightenment, there's this for a few snippets of thoughtful reflection:

Atheist Memes That Will Make You Reconsider the Value of Religion


As for the bible stories of Jesus, note how they follow similar patterns to such as the legends of King Arthur and Robin Hood and others, including the ideas of various 'doing good' and suffering trials and quests...

Are our gods merely a figment of our imagination wrought in our own image?...

Certainly good for some. Also too open to the very human abuses of politics and profit at others' expense.


All in our only one world,
Martin

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As for the bible stories of Jesus, note how they follow similar patterns to such as the legends of King Arthur and Robin Hood and others, including the ideas of various 'doing good' and suffering trials and quests...

Deliberately misunderstanding you so you can rephrase and move the discussion: so, you're saying 2000 year old Jesus was modeled on 1400 year old Arthur and such?

Jesus was modeled after "The Lawgiver" in the dead sea scrolls which predate the alleged Jesus.

And then, on Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change...”

And then, on Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change...”

One woman in a London coffee shop bolted out of her chair because she'd figured out and this time no one would need to nailed to a cross. Only problem? Shortly thereafter, Arthur lost her in a multi-dimensional accident during a hyperspace flight. Everyone knows species from the Plural sectors should not go into hyperspace.

Are you trolling or are you serious?

Glenn is serious. And I can find no intelligent reason to accuse him of 'Trolling'.

Because his paranoia regarding keeping his sources secret because "...book of David are cursed and my life had gone belly up 12 months after i started telling people we are in the End of Days at the time i did(sic) know about the curse but i do now." is so outlandish and ridiculous that I seriously thought it is coming under Poe's Law and he is parodying a lunatic.

marmot...

I have two open questions, regarding your beliefs.

Any answers?

What these two?

Which Religious Historical Personalities and Events, are probably Correct. And why?

Using your criteria regarding 'Religious' History:

Which 'Secular' Personalities and Events, are probably Incorrect. And why?

Please, narrow your scope to specific individuals.
Why is this important to you?

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Are you trolling or are you serious?

Glenn is serious. And I can find no intelligent reason to accuse him of 'Trolling'.

Because his paranoia regarding keeping his sources secret because "...book of David are cursed and my life had gone belly up 12 months after i started telling people we are in the End of Days at the time i did(sic) know about the curse but i do now." is so outlandish and ridiculous that I seriously thought it is coming under Poe's Law and he is parodying a lunatic.

marmot...

I have two open questions, regarding your beliefs.

Any answers?

What these two?

Which Religious Historical Personalities and Events, are probably Correct. And why?

Using your criteria regarding 'Religious' History:

Which 'Secular' Personalities and Events, are probably Incorrect. And why?

Please, narrow your scope to specific individuals.
Why is this important to you?

Because any mistakes, misinterpretation, outright disinformation, in The Bible:

Was important enough for you to note.

Therefore: Which Religious Historical Personalities and Events, are probably Correct. And why?

Using your criteria regarding 'Religious' History:

Which 'Secular' Personalities and Events, are probably Incorrect. And why?

Inconvenient questions?

Give me some specific individual who has effected history as much as Jesus Christ and I'll tell you what I think. This comment thread is entitled "Jesus".

I focus on Christ because his followers are trying to force their 10 commandments onto the state house lawn when the Code of Ur-Nammu or Code Of Hammurabi are the ancient basis for a legal systems. Christ followers are denying climate change, and stand behind a woman thrice divorced, in violation of Christs' teachings, yet still hands out divorces in her office against Christ's teachings but goes to jail for not doing her elected duty and handing out certificates of marriage for gay couples.

Hitler has no effect on my current life and really neither does Marx. LBJ, Nixon, Reagan and other U.S. presidents have mythology built up around them but, again, they are not stopping my niece from getting married or compounding farming and water issues in California with the preaching from the pulpit that YHWH gave humans the land and we can never be too bountiful in our populous.

BTW: The accusation of Trolling, against those you disagree with. Is very telling.

It tells you that I am discerning that one of the people who is on here seems to be quite delusional. I was hoping Glenn was trolling for mischievousness but it saddens me to understand he really believes he is cursed.

I really wish you would use proper punctuation, as I find it hard to discern some of your meaning. It is very hard to discern what you mean by:

Which 'Secular' Personalities and Events, are probably Incorrect. And why?

Why is secular capitalized? Secular is not a tribe, organization, political entity. Are you referring to particularly important secular organizations or people? Who? Why is secular in quotes? Do you mean they are imitation secular? They call themselves secular but they are really religious?

I assume you capitalize Event to signify only the most important events in history but then that is a matter of perspective.
Capitalizing Incorrect is baffling and is enough to make me want to just ignore your whole question as a computer tosses away a malformed line of code...

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I assume you capitalize Event to signify only the most important events in history but then that is a matter of perspective.
Capitalizing Incorrect is baffling and is enough to make me want to just ignore your whole question as a computer tosses away a malformed line of code...

I do really understand you. And your inability to continue a very important topic, without the personal attacks.

AKA: 'When losing an Intellectual Argument. Bring up Grammar and Punctuation'.

Actually, since I can not understand your language it is not a personal attack. How am I to debate when I do not understand your meaning and usage?

I really wish you would use proper punctuation, as I find it hard to discern some of your meaning. It is very hard to discern what you mean by:

Another, 'When losing an Intellectual Argument...'.

marmot...

Your easy.

The Inconvenient Questions are still out their.

Again, there is no victory as the debate is stalled on lack of understanding on what you want. This was a discussion about Jesus and our personal beliefs on Jesus so to refer to victory language, such as "When losing an Intellectual Argument" is maybe just you having different goals here than I currently do.

Please, explain which particular individuals you wish to debate on, reminding you that this thread is about Jesus and not those other individuals.

Can anyone else in here translate CLYDE-speak or give me insight on how to deal with CLYDE? Should I just walk away now?

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Only asked why the existence of Jesus, or his reported sayings. Should be held to a higher standard, than others in History.

Really simple.

About a month ago I suggested:

By all means start a separate thread on these matters. Discussion of them in this one would appear to be off topic.

I don't see those threads, yet you continue with this line of inquiry. Perhaps you could provide the names of some of the other historical figures are held to a lower standard when it comes to questions of existence, and someone else can start threads on them for you.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Only asked why the existence of Jesus, or his reported sayings. Should be held to a higher standard, than others in History.

Really simple.

About a month ago I suggested:

By all means start a separate thread on these matters. Discussion of them in this one would appear to be off topic.

I don't see those threads, yet you continue with this line of inquiry. Perhaps you could provide the names of some of the other historical figures are held to a lower standard when it comes to questions of existence, and someone else can start threads on them for you.

bobby...

Your, as others, non-answer, to inconvenient questions. Regarding the assertions of another Poster. Who states he has great knowledge of Biblical History.

Question #1 - What is the difference between Accepted Secular (with their own Gods and Beliefs) History, and Biblical references?

Question #2 - Why is the above accepted, and the other (with their own God and Beliefs) not?

Any answers?

I suggest a secular figure:
Helen of Troy.
Certainly, there was doubt she existed or that Troy itself ever existed. Correct? Now we have evidence, via Heinrich Schliemann, that Troy did exist. (I have heard that Schliemann's method were, however, decried.) Does this say much else about the works of Homer? Do we now believe in the Olympian gods and goddesses as well?
Am I incorrect that, for a long time, Helen of Troy was not an accepted secular figure?

Only asked why the existence of Jesus, or his reported sayings. Should be held to a higher standard, than others in History.

Really simple.

About a month ago I suggested:

By all means start a separate thread on these matters. Discussion of them in this one would appear to be off topic.

I don't see those threads, yet you continue with this line of inquiry. Perhaps you could provide the names of some of the other historical figures are held to a lower standard when it comes to questions of existence, and someone else can start threads on them for you.

bobby...

Your, as others, non-answer, to inconvenient questions. Regarding the assertions of another Poster. Who states he has great knowledge of Biblical History.

Question #1 - What is the difference between Accepted Secular (with their own Gods and Beliefs) History, and Biblical references?

Question #2 - Why is the above accepted, and the other (with their own God and Beliefs) not?

Any answers?

Without you providing examples of what you mean by "Accepted Secular (with their own Gods and Beliefs) History" I can't answer the question. Hence the request for you to provide them. I don't know which historical figures you're talking about. I'd prefer not to speculate.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Only asked why the existence of Jesus, or his reported sayings. Should be held to a higher standard, than others in History.

Really simple.

About a month ago I suggested:

By all means start a separate thread on these matters. Discussion of them in this one would appear to be off topic.

I don't see those threads, yet you continue with this line of inquiry. Perhaps you could provide the names of some of the other historical figures are held to a lower standard when it comes to questions of existence, and someone else can start threads on them for you.

bobby...

Your, as others, non-answer, to inconvenient questions. Regarding the assertions of another Poster. Who states he has great knowledge of Biblical History.

Question #1 - What is the difference between Accepted Secular (with their own Gods and Beliefs) History, and Biblical references?

Question #2 - Why is the above accepted, and the other (with their own God and Beliefs) not?

Any answers?

I suggest a secular figure:
Helen of Troy.
Certainly, there was doubt she existed or that Troy itself ever existed. Correct? Now we have evidence, via Heinrich Schliemann, that Troy did exist. (I have heard that Schliemann's method were, however, decried.) Does this say much else about the works of Homer? Do we now believe in the Olympian gods and goddesses as well?
Am I incorrect that, for a long time, Helen of Troy was not an accepted secular figure?

Personally I would not count the Illiad as documentary evidence of Helen's existence.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...