I see absolutely nothing to justify this shooting whatsoever.

Me neither.
But what to expect when so many americans bear guns to "protect" themself.

This man obviously had no gun, and was submissive and obedient.
What is your point?

My point is that the police in the US are getting very nervous knowing that every suspect could carry a gun.
In this case I admit the police were acting wrong.
But I think you will see more of this in the future...

The odds now that a suspect could have a gun are not very much different than they used to be. The only difference is that now more legal open and concealed carry is allowed.
I don't think the actual percentage of perps that the cops engage with who do have guns has changed much. 'Most' of them are criminals to start with, and they could care less what the laws are.
It's more just the legalities of a private citizen doing so have become less restrictive.

And of course, given the nutcases that have killed innocents lately, it is the current media sh%tstorm. Aside from the presidential election, they have to find some filler.

And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

I'll second that.

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And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

I'll second that.

I am one who does not believe that 'freedom of speech' is an open ticket.
I believe strongly in freedom of speech, and an open press, but when it comes to the press, I also believe that some respect of the responsibility and the impact they have should come to bear.

Freedom of speech is not 'carte blanche', you see, it carries some burdens. Which the 'free press' seems to wish to jettison for their profiteering purposes as of late.

And there has been none that I can see lately in that regard.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

The odds now that a suspect could have a gun are not very much different than they used to be. The only difference is that now more legal open and concealed carry is allowed.

I don't buy that.
At very least in Europe the use of guns have become more common today.
Open and concealed carry?
What nonsense is that?
Sam Kurek, standing with a Glock 31 strapped to his side, was blunt in dismissing fears that armed pro-gun advocates like himself who are taking advantage of Ohio's open-carry gun laws pose any kind of threat while they're at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

The odds now that a suspect could have a gun are not very much different than they used to be. The only difference is that now more legal open and concealed carry is allowed.

I don't buy that.
At very least in Europe the use of guns have become more common today.
Open and concealed carry?
What nonsense is that?
Sam Kurek, standing with a Glock 31 strapped to his side, was blunt in dismissing fears that armed pro-gun advocates like himself who are taking advantage of Ohio's open-carry gun laws pose any kind of threat while they're at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

And they do NOT pose an unusual threat, unless the cops wish to make it so.
They are asserting their rights.

Look. I used to carry concealed before it was legal. I did so to protect myself. I ran with the very rough crowd in the taverns, and things got nasty one night.
I bought a .38 Smith and Wesson snub nose six shot revolver a few years earlier. Carried it in my boot for a long time thereafter.

One day, it saved me. Was walking out of a tavvy into the back alley, headed to my car. Some bloke came at me, wishing for what I do not know, but I had a clue. I backed off, wishing for him to go slide off into whence he came from.
He kept advancing. I pulled. He stopped.
I never had to fire that little pistol, thank God. But the fact that I had it might have saved my life that night.

I sold it for a couple of hundred bucks a few years later, and since things in the street life had not improved and I had not yet quit my tavvy visits, bought a very nice Browning .39 semi auto. I also carried that in my boot for years afterwards.
No troubles came after that first episode. I only fired a few dozen shots from the Browning...at a retired water heater in my basement...LOL.

My paranoia subsided and I sold that piece to a legal dealer years later for a few hundred bucks. Maybe, give the nature of recent events, I should have held on to it.
These days I have a trusty Buck knife to defend myself with.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

Mark, J Mercer are you saying the media is sensationalizing this Florida event?
Methinks when obvious f... ups like are made this they need to be made public.

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And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

Mark, J Mercer are you saying the media is sensationalizing this Florida event?
Methinks when obvious f... ups like are made this they need to be made public.

We have seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68g76j9VBvM

This must end.

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And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

Mark, J Mercer are you saying the media is sensationalizing this Florida event?
Methinks when obvious f... ups like are made this they need to be made public.

We have seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68g76j9VBvM

This must end.

Ya think?

Been there, done that. My life has been embracketed by protest songs.
We, I mean, my generation... has been more maligned by there actions and also lack of same than any to ride upon this earth.

I am, at my age, full well done with being blamed for all of it.


We did what we had to do. We raised protests when we had to do it.

I never raised or wanted a riot. But things got out of hand.

Let me say this...........

I have said in joke that I am from kpax. Maybe that is not so far from the truth as I see it now. I can say and do things that would convince some that I am from there.

Now, having said that, there is time for realization. That I am not, and it is all just a dream.

I for one, choose that dream..............

Meow for now.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

Not helped by Donald's speech with so many errors in his quoted facts.
Fact-checking Donald Trump’s acceptance speech at the 2016 RNC

Austin New Statesman - Violent arrest of teacher caught on video; officers face investigation

Officials are investigating an Austin police officer’s violent arrest of an African-American elementary school teacher who was twice thrown to the ground during a traffic stop for speeding and comments by a second officer who told her police are sometimes wary of blacks because of their “violent tendencies.”

Video from the previously unreported June 2015 incident was obtained by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV this week. The video shows the traffic stop escalating rapidly in the seven seconds from when officer Bryan Richter, who is white, first gives a command to 26-year-old Breaion King to close her car door to when he forcibly removes her from the driver’s seat, pulls her across a vacant parking space and hurls her to the asphalt.

Richter wrote in his report of the incident that he acted quickly because King demonstrated an “uncooperative attitude” and was “reaching for the front passenger side of the vehicle.” He didn’t know whether she had a weapon, he wrote. He said King resisted by pulling away from him and wrapping her hands and arms around the steering wheel.

Police charged King with resisting arrest, but the Travis County attorney dismissed the case after reviewing the police dashcam video.

According to police "officer" Richter said he clocked her Nissan Versa speeding at 50 mph in a 35 mph zone.
WTF. In civilized countries the police give you a fine for that not a beating!

Looks like this cop went bugnutz...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32068057/vic-cop-filmed-shoving-onlookers-and-throwing-girl-to-ground-after-rbt-gone-wrong/#page1

Stupid 'former' cop.

Stupid occupants of the vehicle.

Stupid bystanders.

BTW: Yes... I have been taken out of my vehicle, at Police Gun Point, as a middle aged white male (always wondered if it was because of my race). Did EVERYTHING they said. I'm not stupid.

He'll certainly will be in the market for a totally different career path now (after servicing some sort of penalty), but those south of the border cops have always been known to act to the extreme at times and even more so lately since giving up the old passive blue uniform for the antagonistic black American style 1 that they now currently wear (and which was highly advised against being introduced by many civil groups).

In the end there is nothing worse than stupidity being pinned to a badge.

Cheers.

And the media is partly to blame for trying to find and sensationalize every singe possible gun related event that occurs. These things have gone on in the background like, forever. And what they are doing is making things harder for law enforcement by fanning the flames of the discontented.

Mark, J Mercer are you saying the media is sensationalizing this Florida event?
Methinks when obvious f... ups like are made this they need to be made public.

We have seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68g76j9VBvM

This must end.

Which is the whole reason behind this thread. ;-)

Attitudes must change for the better on both sides over there or we'll just keep on seeing the same old same old across our TV screens every other day across the world from mainly you know where.

Cheers.

Just a little bit of education here.
This is exactly why SOME people hate the police.
Because a few of them are ASSHOLES with a freaking badge in their pocket.
This fing cop take a horn blow and tries to escalate it into a full blown cope killing incident.
Damn, if I owned and carried, I might have been scared enough to blow him away.
This cop was emotionally unprepared for duty and I hope he is taken off the street immediately.

Scary cop, and you wonder why?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/07/30/Off-duty-Indianapolis-police-officer-arrested-in-shooting-of-fellow-officer/2341469880631/?spt=slh&or=11

INDIANAPOLIS, July 30 (UPI) -- An off-duty Indianapolis police officer accused of shooting a fellow officer was arrested in Ohio after a standoff with police.

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What is the problem with that Department?

It is a representation of >50% of the police departments in America. No money. No training. Rules written by a Perjury...er Police Protective League. Mayor, DA and Chief good old boys. Standard of promotion based on numbers. Just a SOP shop.

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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/07/30/Off-duty-Indianapolis-police-officer-arrested-in-shooting-of-fellow-officer/2341469880631/?spt=slh&or=11

INDIANAPOLIS, July 30 (UPI) -- An off-duty Indianapolis police officer accused of shooting a fellow officer was arrested in Ohio after a standoff with police.

Thank God his estranged wife and children weren't hurt.

BTW: In 2005 Aurs was arrested for drunken driving. He pleaded guilty and served a probation sentence.

In 2012, Aurs was involved in a fatal motor vehicle crash while driving with alcohol in his system. A 78-year-old Greenwood man in another vehicle was killed, but prosecutors declined to file charges, finding that Aurs was not intoxicated and not at fault in the crash.

Having investigated, suspended, terminated, and arrested Police Officers:

What is the problem with that Department?

Well, to be fair, Aurs was not legally intoxicated during that crash. He submitted to a voluntary blood test which came back at 0.052. The legal standard is, in most jurisdictions, I believe to be 0.08 or higher currently (and likely also back in 2012). Thus, Aurs was not *LEGALLY* intoxicated even though he did have some alcohol in his system.

Of course, none of what I said refutes the main point...

Aurs is a world-class jerk, it seems, and deserves a nice long jail sentence if found guilty of spraying his estranged wife's dwelling with bullets, wounding the other police officer.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Why no one within that Department, couldn't see the many Red Flags glowing over his head. Is my question.

You are making the assumptions:
1)Someone is looking
2)If looking they care

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Why no one within that Department, couldn't see the many Red Flags glowing over his head. Is my question.

You are making the assumptions:
1)Someone is looking
2)If looking they care

1) Why aren't they looking?
2) If looking. Why don't they care?

The "Blue Code"?

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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/04/27/on-video-alameda-county-deputies-beat-man-steal-his-gold-necklace/

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