The sooner that ridiculous and far outdated NRA mob is silenced the better off the whole world will be.

Cheers.

Oh Clyde,..... :-(

You only "out" yourself with every post you make mate (even if you claim differently).

Cheers.

Another typical Clyde post, but no one expects anything better or different from you so we'll just carry on laughing. ;-)

Cheers.

Another day, another bust
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/11/23/border-patrol-agent-arrested-after-troopers-find-110-lb-cocaine-in-his-rental/

PHOENIX (AP) – A U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona has been arrested and charged after state troopers found 110 pounds of cocaine in his rental car that he planned to transport to Chicago, authorities said.

A criminal complaint filed in federal court shows Arizona Department of Public Safety troopers stopped agent Juan Pimentel, 47, on Nov. 18 near Marana, just north of Tucson.

The complaint says Pimentel was driving a rental car and identified himself as a Border Patrol agent when he was pulled over.

He consented to a search that resulted in the seizure of about 50 bundles of cocaine weighing 2 pounds each, the complaint states. The bundles were in four black suitcases.

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But an incompetent cop.

It there any other kind?

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Another day, another cop
https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/bakersfield-police-narcotics-detective-charged-with-bribery-drug-trafficking-obstruction-and-filing-false-tax-returns

BAKERSFIELD, CA—Damacio Diaz, 43, of McFarland, a detective with the Bakersfield Police Department (BPD) was arrested today, charged with abusing his position of trust as a police detective when he conspired with and assisted a narcotics dealer in the operation of the dealer’s drug organization, announced United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner, FBI Special Agent in Charge Monica M. Miller, DEA Special Agent in Charge John J. Martin, IRS-CI Acting Special Agent in Charge Thomas McMahon, and Bakersfield Police Chief Greg Williamson. The charges are contained in a 16-count indictment returned by a federal grand jury yesterday.

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Lacking any Common Sense.

The problem with "common sense" is that it probably isn't all that common ;-)

Lacking any Common Sense.

The problem with "common sense" is that it probably isn't all that common ;-)

It seems that these days very few have any sense let alone anything resembling common in any form. :-(

Cheers.

The Washington post has updated it's stats for the year upto end November.

895 people shot dead by police this year of which it must be said 660 were shot when committing violent crimes.

This is the case that started this thread.

Wiggo,

Ex-CHP Officer Who Punched Bipolar Woman Won't Face Charges

No criminal charges will be filed against a former California Highway Patrol officer who punched a bipolar woman as she walked on a busy Los Angeles freeway, prosecutors said Thursday.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office said in a statement that Officer Daniel Andrew acted within the law by resorting to force to stop Marlene Pinnock from entering traffic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ex-chp-officer-who-punched-bipolar-woman-wont-face-charges_5660cd59e4b08e945feed1cc

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But... Repeatedly punching her in the face, while she is on her back. Is legal in California?

Rodney King, nightsticks while face down. And that, innocent, was the jury decision in the state criminal trial which participated the civil unrest. So to answer your question, yes it is legal in California, and perhaps grants you some understanding of what is wrong, training, policy, procedures - top brass or the core is rotten.

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IMO the job creates an "us against them" mentality.

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IMO the job creates an "us against them" mentality.

Yes it does, and they have adopted the same tactics as the criminal street gangs they are being asked to suppress. It is very unhealthy from a mental state and too much time on the street will corrupt even the best person. Add in quotas, performance pay and reviews focused on the number of busts, tickets and crime rate with a revolving door justice system, there is massive pressure to get bad guys at any cost. Unfortunately any cost seems to be coming around far too often.

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But... Repeatedly punching her in the face, while she is on her back. Is legal in California?

Rodney King, nightsticks while face down. And that, innocent, was the jury decision in the state criminal trial which participated the civil unrest. So to answer your question, yes it is legal in California, and perhaps grants you some understanding of what is wrong, training, policy, procedures - top brass or the core is rotten.

Gary...

Why do you believe that the California Prosecutor is:

So to answer your question, yes it is legal in California, and perhaps grants you some understanding of what is wrong, training, policy, procedures - top brass or the core is rotten

It was their decision. Not the Police.

No Clyde, it is a police decision, not the prosecutors. The prosecutors hands are tied.

If the police manual says shooting a naked unarmed handcuffed subject laying face down in the back is in policy, then it is legal. That is the law. That is what the use of force experts will testify, it was in policy. The jury is bound by that. The judge is bound by that. The Prosecutor is bound by that. It doesn't matter that it is cold blooded murder, it is in policy, it is legal.

Do you understand?

If you have a problem with understanding it, look up mens rea.

Do you understand now?

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But... Repeatedly punching her in the face, while she is on her back. Is legal in California?

Rodney King, nightsticks while face down. And that, innocent, was the jury decision in the state criminal trial which participated the civil unrest. So to answer your question, yes it is legal in California, and perhaps grants you some understanding of what is wrong, training, policy, procedures - top brass or the core is rotten.

Gary...

Why do you believe that the California Prosecutor is:

So to answer your question, yes it is legal in California, and perhaps grants you some understanding of what is wrong, training, policy, procedures - top brass or the core is rotten

It was their decision. Not the Police.

No Clyde, it is a police decision, not the prosecutors. The prosecutors hands are tied.

If the police manual says shooting a naked unarmed handcuffed subject laying face down in the back is in policy, then it is legal. That is the law. That is what the use of force experts will testify, it was in policy. The jury is bound by that. The judge is bound by that. The Prosecutor is bound by that. It doesn't matter that it is cold blooded murder, it is in policy, it is legal.

Do you understand?

If you have a problem with understanding it, look up mens rea.

Do you understand now?

What World do you inhabit?

The Police are not The Prosecutor's Boss.

Can you understand? Nope.

Whether to attempt an indictment, or not. Is completely in the Prosecutor's hands.

Can you understand? Nope.

Gary...

What is the problem your thinking. Believing that any Police Agency Controls them?

You didn't look up mens rea did you?

You don't understand getting a conviction do you?

Since you refuse to connect the dots:

Police manual, written by cop signed by chief, says "A" is in policy. Some time later a cop does "A". Community is outraged that "A" was done. Prosecutor is given case. He sees that use of force experts will be called by the defense. They will all testify that "A" was in policy, because it was. How can he obtain a conviction? Remember to be convicted there is this thing called mens rea. LOOK IT UP!

So the accused has a bunch of experts who just testified he did not have criminal intent when he did "A", because it was in policy. If you try such a case you are wasting the taxpayers money. Oh, and what do you think the police union will tell its officers when the prosecutor says the manual they have all been trained to is BS? So yes, the police control the prosecutor because they write the policy!

I suppose in your liberal paradise the prosecutor goes ahead and attempts to show that "A" is an unconstitutional order. That "A" is so repugnant that any "reasonable" person would know that "A" is unconstitutional. Thereby showing mens rea. So now the prosecution has to do a My Lai war crimes trial. How many were convicted for that? Stop living in your liberal paradise.

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WP - FBI to sharply expand system for tracking fatal police shootings

The FBI’s system for tracking fatal police shootings is a “travesty,” and the agency will replace it by 2017, dramatically expanding the information it gathers on violent police encounters in the United States, a senior FBI official said Tuesday.

The new effort will go beyond tracking fatal shootings and, for the first time, track any incident in which an officer causes serious injury or death to civilians, including through the use of stun guns, pepper spray and even fists and feet.

In October, FBI Director James B. Comey acknowledged the stark disparity between The Post and Guardian databases and the FBI’s own efforts. At a private gathering in Washington of more than 100 politicians and law enforcement officials, Comey called it “unacceptable” and “embarrassing and ridiculous.”

913 - at time of post

WP - FBI to sharply expand system for tracking fatal police shootings

The FBI’s system for tracking fatal police shootings is a “travesty,” and the agency will replace it by 2017, dramatically expanding the information it gathers on violent police encounters in the United States, a senior FBI official said Tuesday.

The new effort will go beyond tracking fatal shootings and, for the first time, track any incident in which an officer causes serious injury or death to civilians, including through the use of stun guns, pepper spray and even fists and feet.

In October, FBI Director James B. Comey acknowledged the stark disparity between The Post and Guardian databases and the FBI’s own efforts. At a private gathering in Washington of more than 100 politicians and law enforcement officials, Comey called it “unacceptable” and “embarrassing and ridiculous.”

913 - at time of post

WinterKnight...

Were all 913 Unnecessary. Or were some Necessary.

Could you please give us a total breakdown regarding Necessary and Unnecessary (Murder), and the percentages.

A total number, is Intellectually Meaningless. Regarding this discussion.

Go read the link.

Of course I didn't answer your question, it is not for me to say which shootings are justified by the laws of the US. But I do know there are too many, and from the news stories that are now coming out, instead of being just declared as justified by their superiors, more and more are being investigated.

And that was one of the reasons for the WP and Guardian investigations, because the FBI wasn't putting enough effort finding out actually how many police shooting there are. The FBI total for previous years has been less than half of the totals in those articles. Which may mean that less than half of the illegal police killings have been investigated by the FBI, if so, then how can it be defended in any civilised society.

Chief of Police, Bail Denied! "Danger to the community"
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2531c4ab4cf64b48a09f9cf6ecf49747/no-bail-ex-police-chief-facing-federal-charges

CENTRAL ISLIP, N.Y. (AP) — A judge has denied bail for a former New York police chief accused of beating a man who stole sex toys, pornography and other items from his SUV.

U.S. District Court Judge Leonard Wexler said the allegations against former Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke are "shocking."

The chief, who ran one of the country's largest local law enforcement agencies, is accused of coercing officers under his command to lie about the beating.

Wexler ruled Burke a danger to the community.

Prosecutors say at least 11 officers gave information to a grand jury about the beating and cover-up.

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US police officers took a trip to Scotland to learn how to handle potentially-dangerous situations without resorting to using deadly force, the Scotsman reported.

Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/scots-police-teach-nypd-how-to-avoid-deadly-force-1-3974216