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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11358 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
'Victory' is, of course, in the 'Eye of The Beholder'. Gary I think this thread should be moved to science non-SETI forum because you have advanced a hypothesis to a theory. Peer review is in order. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I see that Clyde is still spewing out those same totally pointless hollow words of his. :-( Cheers. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11358 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
No Ideologue, I repeat No Ideologue, nor their Cousins the Religious Fanatics. Will allow any - what they call an Apostate, Blasphemer, Devil Worshiper, Right Winger - into their Self Imposed, Intolerant and Hateful Secular/Religious Monastery. Yes Clyde that is what you typically sound like, I suggest you take a long honest look in a mirror. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Clyde, you really need to seek some professional help buddy. [edit] oh yes we are most certainly laughing Cheers. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Nine California Police Officers Caught on Camera Violently Arresting Crying Teen Firstly, if this were my kid they were doing this to, there would be hell to pay. Secondly, they've just traumatised this kid, what sort of feelings is he going to have about the police in the future? This is disgusting. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Nine police officers to handle a stupid kid? Silva, who could not provide the officer’s name, stated that all use of force cases go under administrative review — but that it currently appears that the officer acted following department protocol. I don't think there is a department protocol stating that police officers can abuse minors doing stupid things! All for jaywalking while trying to catch his bus! |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
What, pray tell, was wrong with this? Nothing. Kid Jaywalks. Crime (California Vehicle Code §21955 - About a US$200.00 fine). Officer orders kid to halt. Kid does not. Crime. Officer grabs kid. Kid removes officers hand from himself. Crime. (Either 'resisting' or 'assault on a peace officer' (depending on exactly how the kid did it). Kid climbs onto a shrubbery planter to help get away from police officer. Crime. Kid kicks police officer as police officer attempts to remove him from shrubbery planter. Crime. Assault on a peace officer. Police uses baton on kid (mildly) a couple of times in self defense. Kid refuses order to get on the ground. Crime. Backup police officers arrive and forcefully place kid on ground so kid can be cuffed. Kid, by now, is in serious trouble and is likely facing serious jail time. Woman keeps yelling and cursing at the police officer during altercation. Presumably she was the one shooting the video. Crime. Cursing at a police officer and interference with a police officer during the performance of their duty. She could have been cuffed and stuffed too. And don't give me any garp about the First Amendment/Freedom of Speech either. 'Freedom of Speech' means the Government can not exercise PRIOR Restraint on Speech absent a compelling public interest. 'Freedom of Speech' does NOT protect you from the consequences of what you said. And she was using the highly obscene phrase 'Mother F***er' a LOT. And, frankly, her stating that 'it is just a kid' is meaningless. We have kids (pre-teens) committing and being convicted of first-degree murder frequently. Said kid is VERY LUCKY the police didn't go full-on Rodney King on him. If said kid had obeyed the Police Officer's initial statement to get out of the street, probably nothing would have happened to said kid. Or, at WORST, kid would have been taken to his parent(s) and the parent presented with the kid AND the ticket the kid got for Jaywalking. My wife got a ticket for jaywalking a few years ago. She obeyed the police officer. Only harm done was having to pay the $200 fine. Trust me, Police officers do NOT want to have to get physical and/or arrest someone if it can be helped. Too much time doing paperwork that could be spent out writing more tickets so the city can pay its bills (esp. the Police payroll). |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Fact: Jaywalking isn't even a crime in lots of places which suggests it is not serious. Certainly not serious enough to physically assault a child over. Fact: There is no excuse, EVER, to treat a child like this. Fact: If you think someone is 'lucky' that the police don't go full 'Rodney King' you live in a police state and should be very concerned. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I Agree with ES99. Jaywalking is NOT a crime. The kid didn't obey trafic regulations. Thats all! Thats a BIG difference. Do police officers the same when a driver are speeding? Of course not! My wife got a ticket for jaywalking a few years ago WTF! Must be an american thing! |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Fact: Oh, it is a crime, albeit a minor one. In California (where the event in your news article took place) it is a STATE Law (with a local option to make it more serious). The Law. V C Section 21955 Crossing Between Controlled Intersections https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/pubs/vctop/vc/d11/c5/21955 The punishment: The Price of Violation of Vehicle Code Section 21955 (classic jaywalking) is an infraction, not a misdemeanor. As of 2010, the fine can be as high as $191 depending where the infraction occurs. http://www.legal-news-california.tozerlaw.com/jaywalking_california.html Why, you may ask, is jaywalking a crime (infraction)?? Date: Yes, it is a crime. Yes, there is a punishment for it. Yes, there is a GOOD reason for it. Fact: There is no excuse, EVER, to treat a child like this. There is EVERY excuse to treat ANYONE guilty of what this kid did after the police officer showed up like this. The police here were a MODEL of restraint. I mean... assault on a police officer??? We are talking a felony here. This has nothing to do with the 'kids' race... or age... It has everything to do with the 'kids' sheer stupidity. That, and the kid's parents. Either the kid decided to be stupid on his own, or his parents were stupid in not giving the kid proper instructions: 1. Do NOT Jaywalk. It can get you killed. and 2. Do what a Police Officer tells you to do. Failure to do so can get you killed. Fact: If you think someone is 'lucky' that the police don't go full 'Rodney King' you live in a police state and should be very concerned. Yes, I am concerned about living in a police state. This comment has merit, and I am somewhat in agreement with it. That said, the fault is NOT with the Police who are just trying to do their jobs. The fault is with the laws that the bloody Government is passing. I believe in freedom and liberty. But, we must STILL have 'rule of law'. Some laws are there to protect the life, property, and safety of others, as well as your own. Like this one. If you jaywalk, and an accident happens because of it, YOU are responsible. Remember, your rights end where my nose begins. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
In America maybe, but many parts of the world have a more rational attitude towards it. I had to have it explained to me, and I still don't understand why cars are given more priority than pedestrians, but I didn't grow up in a society built around the car. In California (where the event in your news article took place) it is a STATE Law (with a local option to make it more serious). $191? OMG! Beat him! Beat him! Beating a child up for a misdemeanour that is fined $190? That is so wrong. http://www.legal-news-california.tozerlaw.com/jaywalking_california.html Wait, who died here? Are you saying that death wasn't sufficient deterrent enough and it had to be criminalised? That's really dumb. Not trying to be rude, but that's dumb. Yes, it is a crime. No, there isn't. There is a natural consequence from getting hit by a car. You don't need to beat people up to stop them hurting themselves. That's really weird. Fact: There is no excuse, EVER, to treat a child like this. Yeah, can you really not see what's wrong with what you just wrote? Are policemen dangerous animals that have to appeased like that? That's nuts. I recently witnessed the police here having to subdue a teenage girl who was certainly not doing as she was told and was fighting violently against them. The police did their best to talk calmly to her and when the were forced to physically restrain her they did it carefully so as not to hurt her. It took 3 police officers to restrain her, so violently was she behaving, but they managed to do it without hurting her because she was a child and you don't need to do that to a child. Sorry. You need to deal with your police problem if you think its acceptable. Fact: If you think someone is 'lucky' that the police don't go full 'Rodney King' you live in a police state and should be very concerned. Where have we heard that before? I believe in freedom and liberty. But, we must STILL have 'rule of law'. Some laws are there to protect the life, property, and safety of others, as well as your own. Like this one. If you jaywalk, and an accident happens because of it, YOU are responsible. Remember, your rights end where my nose begins. I thought full responsibility began at adulthood. Isn't that the point of trying children and adults differently? Reality Internet Personality |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Beating a child up for a misdemeanour that is fined $190? That is so wrong. That (the Jaywalking) is NOT what got this kid cuffed and stuffed. His behavior and actions towards the police officer IS. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/148.html 148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or Right there... Thats 1 year in jail and / or a $1000 fine for the kid. Add to that at least one instance in the video of the kid kicking the police officer during the shrubbery struggle... assault and battery on a peace officer. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/243.html 243. (a) A battery is punishable by a fine not exceeding two Ok, thats another year in jail and / or a $2000 fine. Total 2 years in jail and $3000 fine so far from that kids actions after the police officer initially approached him. Do I need to keep going?? I repeat... that kid did NOT get cuffed and stuffed for the jaywalking. He got it for his behavior vs. the police officer. And remember... this is in the People's Republic of California... Other states have... stronger... punishment for this sort of crap. Wait, who died here? Are you saying that death wasn't sufficient deterrent enough and it had to be criminalised? That's really dumb. Not trying to be rude, but that's dumb. Ever stop to think about who ELSE could get hurt or killed? The driver of the car? Other pedestrians (especially if driver swerves to try to avoid jaywalker)? Of COURSE there is a law on it, just like there is a law about speeding. Jeebus. I thought full responsibility began at adulthood. Isn't that the point of trying children and adults differently? Why should we? Do the crime, do the time. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I thought full responsibility began at adulthood. Isn't that the point of trying children and adults differently? If that is your opinion and you don't understand the difference between and adult and a child then there really is no point me continuing this discussion with you. I thought we had moved on from medieval ideas about children. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Major, et. al. Jaywalking is an infraction in California. No matter how serious an infraction is, it is not punishable by even one second of jail time or loss of civil rights. As such you can not be handcuffed for an infraction because your signature is bail. (Not to say that officer safety can't be a reason to detain you, but that is permissible even when no crime is suspected.) Not every state has infractions on their books. In some jaywalking is a misdemeanor and jail time is attached with a real criminal record and loss of civil rights. However in California if you go to court and lose and are ordered to pay a fine, not paying the fine is a crime, a misdemeanor and that can get you jail time. Of course not showing up on your court date/time is also a crime, bail violation, and that will get an arrest warrant issued. If you plead poverty, judges have wide latitude in finding alternative sentences such as community service, pick up trash on the side of the road. Major's timeline-list is reasonably correct. When the child refused to stop for the officer to write the ticket, or for that matter just give him a lecture, that became a "wobbler"[1], evading arrest. Consider someone who won't stop to get a jaywalking ticket. Are they a wanted felon? Come on, who in their right mind runs from a jaywalking ticket?!! I can't believe how stupid it is to get beaten for jaywalking, but there we have it, a chain of events that should never have started, but did. As to the bleeding ones, I'm sorry, but no matter how small the crime we can't as society allow people to simply walk away because it is a small crime. If you allow that then someone will push that line time and again all the way up to and including murder. [1]Wobbler - can be charged as misdemeanor or felony and prosecutors option. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... You do know that there is a whole range of options between "allowing people to simply walk away" and "beating children around the head with sticks" I spent years getting very reluctant teenagers to do what I wanted with out once beating any of them around the head with sticks, even though that would have been a really easy satisfying option at times. American police don't need to behave like thugs. You choose to let them. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
5 (mis)steps to be easily mistreated by US cops Reality Internet Personality |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What you are advocating is to just go ahead and allow children to play freely on the Santa Monica freeway. Is that like allowing gay marriage is advocating people marrying their dogs or inanimate objects? |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
What you are advocating is to just go ahead and allow children to play freely on the Santa Monica freeway. You do know that there is a whole range of options between "allowing people to simply walk away" and "beating children around the head with sticks" Reality Internet Personality |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What you are advocating is to just go ahead and allow children to play freely on the Santa Monica freeway. I do. Did you believe my response was advocating otherwise? |
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