Time for us to continue with a fresh thread on bad policing.

Thread #1 here, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75112&sort_style=6&start=0

Thread #2 here, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76211&sort_style=6&start=0

Cheers.

Stop, rough up, frisk, apologize, Mr. Bratton's department MO

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/nyregion/episode-involving-retired-tennis-pro-is-being-investigated-police-say.html

The New York Police Department is investigating an episode in which James Blake, a retired top-10 professional tennis player, said he was pushed to the ground outside his hotel by a police officer on Wednesday and handcuffed by several officers who had mistaken him for a suspect in a fraudulent credit card operation.

Police Commissioner William J. Bratton said in an interview on Wednesday on NY1 that Mr. Blake’s account was “very disturbing.”

“He has a right to be upset about it,” Mr. Bratton said.

By late evening, the police had reviewed a video that showed the officer taking Mr. Blake to the ground, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

That officer is expected to be placed on modified assignment as soon as Thursday, the official said, and added, “The bottom line is they got the wrong guy.”

Mr. Blake, 35, who retired two years ago and was in town making appearances for corporate sponsors at the United States Open, was leaving the Grand Hyatt Hotel on East 42nd Street for the Open around noon when he was accosted by a plainclothes officer, he said in an interview with The Daily News.
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Mr. Blake, who is 6 feet 1 inch tall, said he was then surrounded by other officers and handcuffed. He said he told the officers who he was but was detained for 15 minutes while they confirmed his identity. He said he had cuts and bruises as a result of the encounter.

“To me it’s as simple as unnecessary police force, no matter what my race is,” Mr. Blake, whose mother is white and whose father was black, told The Daily News. “In my mind there’s probably a race factor involved, but no matter what, there’s no reason for anybody to do that to anybody.”

“I was just standing there. I wasn’t running,” he told The Daily News. Referring to the use of force, he added: “It’s blatantly unnecessary. You would think at some point they would get the memo that this isn’t O.K., but it seems that there’s no stopping it.”

Mr. Bratton, in the NY1 interview, said: “We will very aggressively address it. I will not tolerate any type of excessive use of force on the part of my police. But as always, and we have that saying, ‘The first story is never the last story,’ so we’ll wait and see what we get for facts and circumstances and, hopefully, video.”

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OzzFan...

As you posted, in reply to me...

I listen to Limbaugh, maybe 20 minutes each week, while driving with my wife. After about 20 long minutes, I ask my wife, "had enough of his B... S...?" She says yes, and we turn to the 'Golden Oldies' Station.

Ah, but something keeps drawing you to the station each week. Eventually if you listen to the crap long enough...

Why do I, on a weekly basis, listen to MSNBC, read The Huffington Post, etc.

Because I agree?

Why don't you, and other Religious Fanatics and/or Ideologues, have any Intellectual Curiosity?

Only a person, as I previously Posted, living in a Self-Imposed Intellectual Monastery, would make your statement.

OzzFan...

Thank you for 'outing' yourself. Regarding your Lack of Intellectual Curiosity.

Why do you always resort to accusing everyone else of being a religious fanatics, ideologues, or other traits which are always attacking the person instead of the position?

I would think someone so intellectually pure such as yourself would focus on the idea and not the person who holds them, but I've been wrong a time or two before.

Why do you always resort to saying I am...?

Because I don't think you're nearly as centrist as you think you are, and your comments are always rather vapid beyond personal attacks.

If you can't stand the heat...

It's not the heat that I can't stand. It's the degenerate comments that drag the conversation down as frequently initiated by yourself in an attempt to always "one-up" the person you're speaking with. You still take this all as a game to make the other person look bad instead of discussing ideas like a true intellectually pure person would.

The responses you get are due to the responses you give.

I do stand by what I say.

I'm sure you do.

BTW: Why would you believe that I am so Intellectually Weak. That listing to Limbaugh, MSNBC, etc. Would have me believe their B... S...?

Did I say you were intellectually weak for listening to them? Methinks, as per usual, whenever someone says something counter to you, you immediately go on the defensive and interpret what is being said to you as an attack or insult.

My comment was only to highlight that you are at least attracted to some filth. It isn't about listening to the other side, it is about having no time for garbage. For the record, I also don't watch reality TV, anything to do with the Kardashians, or any other celebrity gossip, but that doesn't mean I'm intellectually weak for not involving myself in any of that.

Is your Intelligence so weak, that you project you weakness upon others?

Yes. My weakness comes across in all my posts and I thank you for pointing it out. [/s]

Note: I do understand your 'game'. Ain't gonna work.

And this comment just highlights that you still think every interaction with someone in this forum is a game rather than an opportunity to discuss ideas. Instead you choose to attack the person and putting up a wall to hearing what others have to say.

I'm not playing a game CYLDE. I am simply trying to help you change your tone and encourage civil discourse.

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BTW: Why would you believe that I am so Intellectually Weak. That listing to Limbaugh, MSNBC, etc. Would have me believe their B... S...?

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If you were really a centrist why would you listen to those at all?

I've tried watching MSNBC and its bias slant I find insulting. I want news and facts so I can draw my own opinion.

However, it has been shown that when people are surrounded with opions it does start to skew their own view of what is normal of right. I suggest you stop listening to Rush because it definitely has skewed your view to the right, or at least redefined your benchmark for right wing so much that you think you are a centrist just because you are right of Hilary Clinton.

Hilary Clinton is not very left wing. Even MSNBC is not that left wing, it is certainly not the opposite of RUSH.

Try watching some Noam Chomsky to reset where you define left-wing, and even as far left as he is, he is not as far right as Rush.

Your opinions are on the right, Clyde. No matter how much you claim you are a centrist. I am always surprised at how many right wing people claim to be centrists, its almost as you are ashamed of being right wing.

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I am always surprised at how many right wing people claim to be centrists, its almost as you are ashamed of being right wing.

I think they are, because they associate some terrible things with their perception of the right wing and they don't want to be associated with their roots, or their thought processes taken to their logical conclusion.

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You used Gary's name, but you quoted me.

Carrying on the discussion with you is pointless because you obviously still believe that it is possible for someone to not have an ideology such as yourself. Until you come to terms with the fact that you indeed have your own ideology, all of your responses will continue to proclaim the same thing over and over again. "I am an atheist to both". "The unthinking left". As I said: vapid responses.

Exactly what Ideology, excepting the belief that Power..., and All Controllers will become evil, do I have?

Your ideology is that you believe yourself to be an Atheist of everything, therefor you believe your position superior to anything Liberal. The words you use to describe the Left as 'unthinking', 'ideological', 'superiority', and the various other denigrating comments all show your disdain for the Left, and therefor your own belief system and superiority are better, allowing you to criticize the left so much.

Yes, you do the same to the Right from time to time, but that isn't what being intellectually pure means. Tossing mud on both sides does not make you a centrist, nor does it make all your opinions fair.

I do agree, in reverse, regarding attempting to have an Intellectual Discussion with either Secular 'Theologians' or Religious 'Theologians'.

It all starts with you. Perhaps if you tried actually having a discussing instead of dismissing everything you disagree with as an unthinking ideology, implying your position is the One True Thinking. Perhaps instead of giving the same canned responses time and time again, you could actually have a meaningful discussion.

Yes... I am an Atheist to you and also God believer's.

If by Atheist to me you mean you don't subscribe to my opinions, that's fine. But the constant comparing of my thoughts to that of a God believer because you think that my positions are one and the same still suggest your ideology is superior.

Your 'Type', as God believing 'Types'. Will never understand. It is beyond their shallow, non-intellectual universe.

Again, this statement suggests a superior, more enlightened position than my own. What you are stating here is exactly what you keep accusing us of - that we all believe we're superior in our positions. You believe the same of your own positions, or you would not have the right to call ours "shallow, non-intellectual" types.

You have deluded yourself into an hermetically sealed paradox for which you cannot unbox yourself out of.

Besides, you don't really even know me, beyond what I type here. How would you know what my "type" is? Unless you're so superior that you can actually assume all of my positions from just a few sentences here? Or would that simply be that - assuming you know?

Yes... Both believe they are Better, More Intelligent, and their 'Superiority' (given by God or Genetics) gives them 'The Right' to Control.

Both are evil, and for the sake of humanity: We must throw their belief in their superiority, into the dustbin of history.

And yet all your responses indicate that you somehow know better than both sides. All your criticisms of both sides (mostly the left) indicate that you are smarter than all. All your posts indicate that you believe you are "better, more intelligent, and superior" to all you level judgment against.

Game. Set. Paradox.

You truly 'think' that the belief of 'Power...' is an ideology?

Every thought process, whether for or against a thing, is an ideology. The mistake you make is that you seem to conflate ideology for fanatical beliefs.

As with all Ideologues, and God Believer's, who believe in their superiority.

And this is part of your paradox. You speak with a superiority over all you level judgment against, but have been given no authority over any of them. That is because of your belief in your ideology and your superiority over others.

They project their Dark Souls upon others.

As you do.

As you have been doing since day one posting in Politics, though it seems you can't actually see it. Or maybe you don't want to see it.

Although I do find Ideologues and God Believers, to be Intellectually Boring:

I do find, in a perverse way, your misunderstanding of most things, fascinating.

So please enlighten me. What have I misunderstood? And I'd still like to know why you place me in your pejorative 'idealogue' camp.

I have have successfully won Intellectual Arguments against highly educated and very intelligent proponents of your, and others Ideology in Academia. By not Playing your 'Game'. Which is...

Considering your lack of winning any discussion here in this forum, I can only assume you mean winning in the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

When the Ideologues and God Believers understand they are losing the arguments:

Never continue the discussion, to its logical conclusion. But attempt to change a losing argument, to another Subject.

But this is exactly what you have done. I asked you a direct question about why you label me as a pejorative ideological, and I have told you that you do the same to others that you accuse them of, yet you've not offered any explanations or continued the discussion at all. You've simply asserted you've won other arguments. OK. So go ahead and win this one by explaining to me what makes your position superior to all of us. Why do you get to call everyone else ideological unthinkers, and by what authority do you get to tell everyone else why their opinions are wrong?

You do understand, that I understand you?

Correct?

Thus far you haven't shown that you really do. From where I'm sitting, you act like you have all the answers, but the questions haven't even been asked. You think you're a step ahead, but you're not even having the same discussion. All you do is proclaim everyone else is an ideological unthinker while not showing a better thought process.

When challenged, you dismiss everyone as "never being able to understand", then you offer authoritative positions asserting you've "won" other arguments. In order to displace a thought process, you must show the other person why theirs is wrong, then offer a more factually correct one. You've done nothing of the sort here or in any of your posts. Hard to see you understanding or winning anything at all.

OzzFan...

Your obsession in destroying this Apostate, Blasphemer, etc., of your Belief System, and change The Subject 'I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #3'. Remember it?

Is typical.

Can you understand?

The reason Ozzfan is so annoyed with you is that you insist on mis-characterizing him and then saying rude things that mean very little.

Quite a few of us have given up on you because your posts are generally empty of meaning.

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Your obsession in destroying this Apostate, Blasphemer, etc., of your Belief System, and change The Subject 'I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #3'. Remember it?

Is typical.

Can you understand?

CLYDE, I am not attempting to destroy you because you don't think as I do. I am engaging in a discussion with you because I am open to hearing other thought processes. Conversations tend to wind and twist from the original topic from time to time.

Is there a reason you're avoiding the topic and refusing to answer any of my questions? If I wasn't curious to understand you better, I wouldn't bother engaging you, but you refuse to answer any challenge or question when directly engaged, and this is all you do; you tell everyone else they're off topic and you avoid/dodge the discussion.

Is it really so hard to believe that people are open-minded? Or is it just easier for you to claim everyone is an ideologue and dismiss any attempt to have you show them a better way?

So sorry for attempting to show you that you do the same to others as you accuse everyone else of doing in hopes that you would stop the practice and actually have meaningful discussions rather than these degenerate tete-a-tetes.

Take care, CLYDE.

Police mistake man holding cell phone as a gun and shoot him.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/dad-im-shot-man-with-phone-camera-shot-by-police-on-his-own-property/

'Cherry pie all over the wall': US cops caught on film joking about shooting suspects

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'Cherry pie all over the wall': US cops caught on film joking about shooting suspects

This is RT "news" coverage.
RT, former Russian Today, love these stories.
As Sputnik Swedish edition mocking us.

However the story is probably true:(

I have have successfully won Intellectual Arguments against highly educated and very intelligent proponents of your, and others Ideology in Academia

All I have seen from you is self proclaimed "victory" a tactic often used by the departed one known as ID.

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'Victory' is, of course, in the 'Eye of The Beholder'.

Clyde you are truly the center of your universe no matter how small it is.

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'Victory' is, of course, in the 'Eye of The Beholder'.

Clyde you are truly the center of your universe no matter how small it is.

The amazing thing is that something escapes the from the region of singularity, Hawking must be right, black holes evaporate.