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Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
Book 'Im Dano! |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
I'll ask I think it is highly unlikely that two horn buttons could malfunction simultaneously. The problem is more likely to be the horn relay sticking. First sticking open (or off) and then applying power and hitting a bump at the same time has allowed it to go to the closed (or on)position and stay stuck there. So just replace the relay, it's easy as they just plug in and I dont think they are very expensive. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
So just replace the relay, it's easy as they just plug in and I dont think they are very expensive. I just need to find where that is. It's not where the fuses are. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
So just replace the relay, it's easy as they just plug in and I dont think they are very expensive. It's probably close to the horn/s under the bonet somewhere, tryto follow the horn wires until you come to a little plastic or metal box. that will be it. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
This is what I found Googling 99 Saturn SC-1 horn relay. It is an electronic relay and its built into the horn. The horn is in the left front fender and you can see it if you look through behind the headlight. You don't have to take the light out to get at it though. Might have to remove the air filter box though. Its not fixable, you replace it. This is how its wired. To my mind it is unlikely an electronic switch would fail that way, therefore I go with the switches in the steering wheel. A test would be unplug the horn, put the fuse back in and put a VOM on the wires feeding the horn. Either the horn is getting a trigger signal from a stuck switch or it isn't. |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
I was assuming it had a mechanical relay. Oops! |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
I liked my idea better.... |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29832 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
I was assuming it had a mechanical relay. Oops! It's an electrical mechanical and from what I read it goes bad pretty often. The part is $85 from Saturn. And they discontinued making then that way. Saturn forums say to bypass and install a generic 3 wire relay $10. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
That is what I read, a salvage yard is another and easier alternative. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22202 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
If you want to get at the horn buttons you have to remove the airbag from the steering wheel, preferably without it going bang in you face. On most cars you have to disconnect the battery for a few hours (yes, that upsets a number of other things), then (if fitted) remove the screw at 6pm, use a suitable tool to undo the latches at 2am and 10pm (you can see the small rectangular hole where the 10pm one lives in the photo) and "carefully lift" the airbag assembly out. You can now get at the switch gear on the steering wheel..... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
If you want to get at the horn buttons you have to remove the airbag from the steering wheel, preferably without it going bang in you face. On most cars you have to disconnect the battery for a few hours (yes, that upsets a number of other things), then (if fitted) remove the screw at 6pm, use a suitable tool to undo the latches at 2am and 10pm (you can see the small rectangular hole where the 10pm one lives in the photo) and "carefully lift" the airbag assembly out. You can now get at the switch gear on the steering wheel..... That sounds tricky. I think I'm going to try it from the horn end first, but from what I can tell the horn is located in a very awkward to get at spot behind the front bumper. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22202 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I would certainly put it in the "not for faint hearted" if not in the "run-away" category. Get it wrong and it is a new airbag, at best, at worst you have eyes full of shrapnel from bits of the steering wheel cover. I would be looking for either someone who knows how to repair the buttons, or find somewhere handy to put an alternative horn button/switch (and probably the latter, far cheaper) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29832 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
New breed of arsonist discovered. "The cause of the brush fire that began burning in Refugio Canyon in Gaviota on Wednesday was due to a bird coming into contact with power lines, fire officials determined" http://lompocrecord.com/bird-sparks-blaze-now-contained-near-gaviota/article_322bd658-213d-5a93-9788-8bed742e6a01.html |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
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qbit Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 |
Hey folks, I have another question about how to pronounce a word correctly. Today it's about the word "Router". I always thought it's pronounced "Rooter" but lately I saw a lot of ppl on yt calling it "Rowter". I checked the web and it seems like ppl from the UK use the former and US folks the latter one. Is that correct? And how do ppl from Down Under pronounce it? |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Router Good sir, this word is only pronounced correctly by Canadians. Unless you can find one to say it for you, you may never know the proper pronunciation. A hint may be that the way Americans say it is completely wrong, it just is! edit: Brits have a problem with a lot of words so I won't go into any of that here... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
this word is only pronounced correctly by Canadianseh? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Router LOL. I call it a Rooter as a Rawter is a carpentry tool. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Router, "Rooter" or "Rowter". In Germany (I guess Austria as well) both pronunciations are correct. In Sweden as well:) Norway however pronounce it Ruter. A bit confusing sometimes... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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