"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Clyde you don't know that, you have only read it!


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Better to try, rather than just listen....

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Stop it, you know what I mean. One should
know power from both sides to asses it.

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Well I have met a few powerful people,
and most of them are either not corrupt
or they brought most of their mendacities,
and other qualities with them to the top....

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"NOBODY ON EARTH CAN PROVE THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD."
Probably true, but I think it can be proven, that it has in fact been proven, that there is no specific entity identifiable as God. God may not be dead but Thor and Jehova are.

However I think that every proposed God has been dis-proven, because as soon as rules become attached to the God the circular logic begins to flow. That leaves a God without form, without power, without knowledge, without purpose or even requirement to continue to exist. Wait a second, that sounds a lot like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Then God must be the dice, pure randomness.

Now you are beginning to get it. The First Cause... A cosmic random number generator.

"NOBODY ON EARTH CAN PROVE THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD."
Probably true, but I think it can be proven, that it has in fact been proven, that there is no specific entity identifiable as God. God may not be dead but Thor and Jehova are.

However I think that every proposed God has been dis-proven, because as soon as rules become attached to the God the circular logic begins to flow. That leaves a God without form, without power, without knowledge, without purpose or even requirement to continue to exist. Wait a second, that sounds a lot like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Then God must be the dice, pure randomness.

Now you are beginning to get it. The First Cause... A cosmic random number generator.

Worse, so far as we have been able to determine, the only random number generator.

Everything we make is either pseudorandom or it derives from cosmic random.

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Bullies expect to be the only person allowed to speak at any function.
Bullies expect to be the only person allowed to run for their chosen office.
Bullies like to rationalize hatred and prejudice.
Bullies control their atmosphere.
Bullies don't want new members unless the new members are just like them.
Bullies seem to have all the answers.
Bullies cast blame on others without evidence or concern for their fellow humans.
Bullies don't allow debate.
Bullies are always right.
Bullies demand others march in lockstep, dress just like them, and will punish anyone who resists.
Bullies demand adherence to set methods of behavior.
Bullies assume religious and moralistic superiority over every other member.
Bullies have an agenda no longer relevant to humanity, and solely based upon their own needs.
Bullies lust for power without end or rationality.
Bullies punish others for having an opinion.
Bullies threaten individuals for anything they see as new or different.
Bullies want constant recognition but are the first to deny it for others.
Bullies see the world as one-dimensional.
Bullies know their own pain, misery, heartache, but deny the same in others.
Bullies have difficult times thinking without involving themselves in the center of all things.
Bullies are essential only to themselves.
Bullies threaten others rather than search for solutions.
Bullies surround themselves with gangs of followers who no longer question.

I do know a few people like that..

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A Pox on both.

Ok, so no tolerance on your side then .....

Chris S....

Why do you have tolerance for Movements, which have resulted in mass murder and enslavement of humanity, throughout history?

I don't have any tolerance for Nazi's/Marxists, KKK/Progressives, Religious/Ideological Fanatics, etc.

Do you?

u should also add people:
- Chem-trail enthusiasts
- Aliens conspiracy theory addicts
- Advanced WWII weapons believers (Nazi's went to Moon & Mars, etc.)
- Youtube posters of stupid videos
- whole crew of History channel
etc.
:D

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Religion in Nazi Germany (1939)

Protestantism (54%)
Catholicism (40%)
"Gottgläubig" (3.5%)
Non-Religious (1.5%)
Other faiths (1%)

In Nazi Germany, Gottgläubig (literally, belief in God), was a Nazi religious movement of those who broke away from Christianity but kept their faith in a higher power or divine creator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottgl%C3%A4ubig

All Hail Thor!!!

Cheers.

All Hail Thor!!!

Cheers.

+1, and His Mjölnir!

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Interesting article:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

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Interesting article:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

Hmm. I call it pseudoscience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet. The foundations of his theory have been criticised in the scientific press,[5] anecdotal reports by journalists,[6] academics[7][8] and documentarists[9] have been mixed and several effects reported by Persinger have not yet been independently replicated. One attempt at replication published in the scientific literature reported a failure to reproduce Persinger's effects and the authors proposed that the suggestibility of participants, improper blinding of participants or idiosyncratic methodology could explain Persinger's results.[10] Persinger argues that the replication was technically flawed,[8][11] but the researchers have stood by their replication.[12] More recently, other researchers [13] have published a replication of one God Helmet experiment.[14]

Interesting article:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

Hmm. I call it pseudoscience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet. The foundations of his theory have been criticised in the scientific press,[5] anecdotal reports by journalists,[6] academics[7][8] and documentarists[9] have been mixed and several effects reported by Persinger have not yet been independently replicated. One attempt at replication published in the scientific literature reported a failure to reproduce Persinger's effects and the authors proposed that the suggestibility of participants, improper blinding of participants or idiosyncratic methodology could explain Persinger's results.[10] Persinger argues that the replication was technically flawed,[8][11] but the researchers have stood by their replication.[12] More recently, other researchers [13] have published a replication of one God Helmet experiment.[14]

I'd rather call it mind control by the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist :D

I especially like this quote from the author:

…selected electromagnetic fields begin gently thrumming my brain’s temporal lobes. The fields are no more intense than what you’d get as by-product from an ordinary blow-dryer, but what’s coming is anything but ordinary. My lobes are about to be bathed with precise wavelength patterns that are supposed to affect my mind in a stunning way.

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Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess comes to mind:)

I believe Michel said a few points back that God is not subject to the paradoxes we consider.

I stumbled on to a video a few days ago that raises an interesting point, involving a paradox for humans, not God.

The Christian God sent Jesus to forgive us of our sins if we accept Jesus. That only makes sense if sin exists in the Jewish/Christian sense, following on original sin.

So, why did we disobey God with the eating of the fruit of knowledge? Because we (Adam and Eve) were sinful? Weren't we originally innocent? So where did that rebellious nature/sinfulness come from if we were originally innocent? Eating the fruit was the result of the sin of rebelling which caused us to be sinful creatures?

So, why did we disobey God with the eating of the fruit of knowledge? Because we (Adam and Eve) were sinful? Weren't we originally innocent? So where did that rebellious nature/sinfulness come from if we were originally innocent? Eating the fruit was the result of the sin of rebelling which caused us to be sinful creatures?

It's autumn and the apples are ripe.
I remember as a kid we sometimes knicked apples from our neighbors.
I however don't remember that we got any knowledge from that:)

So, why did we disobey God with the eating of the fruit of knowledge? Because we (Adam and Eve) were sinful? Weren't we originally innocent? So where did that rebellious nature/sinfulness come from if we were originally innocent? Eating the fruit was the result of the sin of rebelling which caused us to be sinful creatures?

It's autumn and the apples are ripe.
I remember as a kid we sometimes knicked apples from our neighbors.
I however don't remember that we got any knowledge from that:)

I hear frequently nothing said it was an apple, just some kind of fruit.
Here is the original source of the question.

I believe Michel said a few points back that God is not subject to the paradoxes we consider.

I stumbled on to a video a few days ago that raises an interesting point, involving a paradox for humans, not God.

The Christian God sent Jesus to forgive us of our sins if we accept Jesus. That only makes sense if sin exists in the Jewish/Christian sense, following on original sin.

So, why did we disobey God with the eating of the fruit of knowledge? Because we (Adam and Eve) were sinful? Weren't we originally innocent? So where did that rebellious nature/sinfulness come from if we were originally innocent? Eating the fruit was the result of the sin of rebelling which caused us to be sinful creatures?

I think it goes like this (according to the bible). Before we ate the apple, we lacked self awareness and we basically lived like animals. An animal is not sinful because it lacks the self awareness to differentiate between right or wrong, good or evil. An animal just does things because his nature tells him to do it. If an animal kills another creature, we don't see its evil because we know its in the nature of the animal to kill other creatures. So in that sense, we were innocent, because we lacked the self awareness to differentiate between right and wrong.

After we ate the apple, we gained self awareness and with that also the knowledge to differentiate between right or wrong. That is also why, after we ate the apple in the story, we were suddenly ashamed of our nakedness.

Anyways, were we sinful for eating the apple? No, we disregarded Gods command, we got tricked by the snake, but in the end, we were animals, we couldn't comprehend the consequences of our actions and we didn't know that what we did was wrong because we couldn't differentiate between right and wrong. Its like a dog pooping on the carpet, you may have told the dog not to poop inside the house, but its not like the dog ever realizes that what it did was 'wrong'.

Now as for Jesus dying for our sins, I never really thought it meant he died for our 'original sin', more like he died for all our sins. What sins? Well, all of them, the many many sins we commit every day. I think sins there should be understood as 'general wrong doings' or 'unethical/immoral behavior'. And we do that a lot. When Jesus said 'he who is without sin cast the first stone' I don't think he referred specifically to the fact that our ancestors supposedly at the apple. I think he meant the fact that no one is perfectly ethical and moral all the time.

Now as for Jesus dying for our sins, I never really thought it meant he died for our 'original sin', more like he died for all our sins. What sins? Well, all of them, the many many sins we commit every day. I think sins there should be understood as 'general wrong doings' or 'unethical/immoral behavior'. And we do that a lot. When Jesus said 'he who is without sin cast the first stone' I don't think he referred specifically to the fact that our ancestors supposedly at the apple. I think he meant the fact that no one is perfectly ethical and moral all the time.

Gnosticism tells us Jesus did not die for our sins. It is just a story clergymen tell us to make us feel guilty and obtain humility towards them. The true teachings of Jesus Christ were never taught to the general population.

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Gnosticism tells us Jesus did not die for our sins. It is just a story clergymen tell us to make us feel guilty and obtain humility towards them. The true teachings of Jesus Christ were never taught to the general population.

Gnosticism has The Truth (whatever that is)? Why?

I wouldn't exactly know because I never stated that Gnosticism actually tells us the truth. I believe truth always lies in the eye (or mind in this case) of the beholder.

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