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Message 1721359 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 16:43:33 UTC - in response to Message 1721352.  
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Where does it appear in the wave equation?

Well oh wise one, you tell us, but have a word with your new best friend first.


Man has wasted his time on this this earth . You get but 1 chance to ask such a question alas that time has now expired and so have the person that may have been able to answer it

All Hail the God

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Message 1721360 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 16:47:40 UTC - in response to Message 1721352.  

Where does it appear in the wave equation?

Well oh wise one, you tell us, but have a word with your new best friend first.


Me? :)
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Message 1721371 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 17:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1721346.  
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Why matters?
Who matters?
When matters?
Where matters?
How matters?
What matters?

Does it matter? Where does it appear in the wave equation?

Actually the wave function include matter.
What else because it deals with particals that have mass.
In classical mechanics, the equation of motion is Newton's second law, (F = ma), used to mathematically predict what the system will do at any time after the initial conditions of the system. In quantum mechanics, the analogue of Newton's law is Schrödinger's equation for a quantum system (usually atoms, molecules, and subatomic particles whether free, bound, or localized). It is not a simple algebraic equation, but in general a linear partial differential equation, describing the time-evolution of the system's wave function (also called a "state function").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation
I would say matter matters:)
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Message 1721377 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 17:14:44 UTC - in response to Message 1721374.  

Me? :)

Why not, wiser than most around here :-)

@Mark - If religion and god works for you that is fine. Why should anyone knock it? As long as you don't knock on my door and try to convert me!!

LOL....no worries there. I don't try to convert anybody, and get as irked as anybody else when a bible thumper comes a knockin' at my door.
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Message 1721397 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 17:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 1721381.  

We get the JW's around here quite a lot, three at a time. You just have to be firm with them. Their meeting place is the local "Kingdom Hall", all you have to do if they push it, is to threaten to report their place to the Council and Trading Standards for harassment, with a copy to the local police. Always gets results!

One does not like being that "hard-hearted" but when pushed it is the only way. We have not been troubled for over 2 years. And yes I did send a letter to their Hall asking to be taken of their lists.

Oh, you get the door to door prostitutes, selling their eternal souls too? When you start with that and tell them the devil is buying, just need a drop of blood to seal the deal ... well they take off PDQ and you get on the list of doors never to knock on. Of course you can tell them that Lot is described as being "good" for offering his to virgin daughters up for gang rape, and are they willing to be good too? This one works very well when they show up with the whole family!

You get what you get when you knock on random doors.
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Message 1721409 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 18:19:42 UTC

I am fairly certain that the god that most people worship doesn't exist. The one they refer to when they say "it was God's will" or that "God has a plan for you". Being disabled from birth and also spending a good deal of my youth in the heart of the Bible belt I was told many times that my condition had to be punishment for some previous sin. Of course I regard those thoughts a pure rubbish. My response is that god or no god the conditions of my birth were a random act of nature, no more, no less.

I don't understand how people can believe in an all knowing all powerful God that is supposed to watch over us in a loving way and yet let babies be born with serious defects, or babies be born and end up dying from starvation, or all the other bad things that happen to totally innocent people all the time.

Now I can believe that God is US and by the good works of man is how we show our goodness. As far as an afterlife is concerned I hold forth no expectation so I live this life I have doing the best I can without making anyone else's life worse. Then I die and my life is over.
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Message 1721433 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 19:46:43 UTC

God @ home ? I can already see people crushing bible stuff. Or what ever....
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Message 1721437 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 20:00:53 UTC - in response to Message 1721409.  

Being disabled from birth and also spending a good deal of my youth in the heart of the Bible belt I was told many times that my condition had to be punishment for some previous sin.

Interesting that the Bible belt people believe in reincarnation. A new "Christian" belief?
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Message 1721440 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 20:05:55 UTC - in response to Message 1721433.  

God @ home ? I can already see people crushing bible stuff. Or what ever....

Hehehe.
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Message 1721465 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 21:53:20 UTC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTvx_QA6gIc

This is slightly over 2 hours long, and audio only, but works well with this thread, and is quite funny and thought provoking.

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Message 1721470 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 22:11:25 UTC - in response to Message 1721465.  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTvx_QA6gIc

This is slightly over 2 hours long, and audio only, but works well with this thread, and is quite funny and thought provoking.

Steve

A shorter video with her:)
Julia Sweeney: The Gifts of Not Believing in God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMikZ5LH9w

btw Our archbishop Antje Jackelén have the motto "God is greater". It is from the first Epistle of John, and, claiming her promoter, deeply rooted in the Christian tradition.
Translated to Arabic it means Allahu Akbar:)
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Message 1721506 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 0:11:18 UTC
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The really cool thing about what Julia Sweeny says, is that it can be backed up.
I have read much, and everyone who really does the research, ends up drawing on the same information, and comes up with the same conclusions. People have been deliberately deceived for centuries, and the evidence for it is still available. In today's world, people have been taught things, based on deliberate past lies, and now think it is true. Nothing could be further from the real truth. If we were given the ability to question, and told not to use it, then what good is it?

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Message 1721591 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 5:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 1721346.  
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Why matters?
Who matters?
When matters?
Where matters?
How matters?
What matters?

Does it matter? Where does it appear in the wave equation?


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Message 1721602 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 7:26:47 UTC

A question .....

Why did God make us when the all knowing and all seeing God , would have seen man destroy himself as we are lead to believe in the Bible ?


If there is a Designer then the above question is valid as the Bible is used to validate God as a God or Designer so if the Bible is filled with lie's then there can be no god unless you say Science is correct[/quote]

u forget that d God, according 2 script u r referring 2, made Man sentient...& unlike some other creatures, Man can distinguish Right from Wrong...& can shape it's own future!

& let me also quote a Yoda, by saying:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c4/cb/65/c4cb655cb55dee843962ee2cb928e79a.jpg
;)


I am fairly certain that the god that most people worship doesn't exist. The one they refer to when they say "it was God's will" or that "God has a plan for you". Being disabled from birth and also spending a good deal of my youth in the heart of the Bible belt I was told many times that my condition had to be punishment for some previous sin. Of course I regard those thoughts a pure rubbish. My response is that god or no god the conditions of my birth were a random act of nature, no more, no less.

I don't understand how people can believe in an all knowing all powerful God that is supposed to watch over us in a loving way and yet let babies be born with serious defects, or babies be born and end up dying from starvation, or all the other bad things that happen to totally innocent people all the time.

Now I can believe that God is US and by the good works of man is how we show our goodness. As far as an afterlife is concerned I hold forth no expectation so I live this life I have doing the best I can without making anyone else's life worse. Then I die and my life is over.

punishment wasn't yours, but u end up on short end...it was all about nature & nature can punish greatly...& like most silly-minded people, most people just try 2 make u sorry 4 it!
if I may, I'd like 2 apologize 2 u about it!
;)

sometimes we have 2 learn sthg, 2 have sthg...& yes, children r born with disabilities & illnesses...but also, all those boys & girls in d same time:
- smoke cigarets & drugs
- do drugs
- do alcohol
- fornicate [maybe this word is allowed] WITHOUT protection...& get some nasty diseases, get infertile & then try 2 have a baby...
etc.

as i said, punishment was not yours...& it was not yours 2 have!
:(


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Message 1721603 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 7:27:09 UTC

Good things or bad things, they happen to us for one of, or a combination of three things. Either we are responsible ourselves, or someone else is responsible or just random acts of nature (luck, good or bad). My birth defect was a random act of nature and knowing and believing that is how I cope with life and what it brings. God didn't make me the way I am because he is either nonexistent or not in control.
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Message 1721611 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 7:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 1721603.  

Good things or bad things, they happen to us for one of, or a combination of three things. Either we are responsible ourselves, or someone else is responsible or just random acts of nature (luck, good or bad). My birth defect was a random act of nature and knowing and believing that is how I cope with life and what it brings. God didn't make me the way I am because he is either nonexistent or not in control.


I always say you make your own luck, no one else can do that for you. You can open up to good advice but in the end only you can make the right decision.

About the randomness of nature: I do believe in the survival of the fittest theory. The ones with the strong minds will survive over the ones with the weaker minds, no matter what physical disability they have. (cfr. Stephen Hawking)
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Message 1721648 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 11:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1720717.  
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Well it is sort of like Hindu religious mythology.

We are jealous of other religions. In Hindu the gods have other avatars that represent themselves (on earth I guess) so we have our holy ghost to represent our god --others just have prophets.

The Greeks and Romans had dozens of gods in the past . We Christians need saints to represent all of the specialties of the ancient gods. With "enlightenment" and maybe poverty we slim down our religion to a more manageable set of mystics or perhaps we are just lazy.
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Message 1721655 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 11:51:22 UTC
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Asatru is very much alive:)
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=is&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fasatru.is%2F&edit-text=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BAarf%C3%A9lagi%C3%B0
The Ásatrúarfélagið (English: Esetroth Fellowship) is an Icelandic religious association of the Germanic folk religion (Ásatrú, "faith of the Eses") with the purpose of promoting and continuing Norse paganism.
Ásatrúarfélagið does not have a fixed religious dogma or theology but the high priests have tended towards a pantheistic worldview. The central ritual is the communal blót feast but the priests (goðar) also conduct name-giving ceremonies, coming of age rituals, weddings and funerals. The organization has on some occasions taken a stance on political issues, including abortion rights, gay marriage, the separation of church and state, and environmental issues. The organisation is a founding member of the European Congress of Ethnic Religions.

Lengi lifi Þór:)
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Message 1721664 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 12:40:33 UTC

Found this bit of information on the net, not quite sure what to think of it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2015/01/internet-trolling-and-the-war-against-god-2447756.html
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