From the moment I noticed your post until I ignored it, I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.

With apologies to Groucho Marx

I'm not laughing...

That's what is wrong with society, the wrong people in the wrong places.

That is the best quote you have made for quite a long time. Now shall we make a list, oooh where shall we start, plenty of material on these boards. Would you care to start the ball rolling?

Sorry, we are sidestepping Tami's thread, wanna start a new one, I'm starting my list now!

Lists?
Sounds like J Edgar Hoover to me:(
Or STASI:(

No doubt the lists of one person would differ from the lists of another, eh, Janne?

That's what is wrong with society, the wrong people in the wrong places.

That is the best quote you have made for quite a long time. Now shall we make a list, oooh where shall we start, plenty of material on these boards. Would you care to start the ball rolling?

Sorry, we are sidestepping Tami's thread, wanna start a new one, I'm starting my list now!

Lists?
Sounds like J Edgar Hoover to me:(
Or STASI:(

No doubt the lists of one person would differ from the lists of another, eh, Janne?

I hope so:)

That's what is wrong with society, the wrong people in the wrong places.

That is the best quote you have made for quite a long time. Now shall we make a list, oooh where shall we start, plenty of material on these boards. Would you care to start the ball rolling?

Sorry, we are sidestepping Tami's thread, wanna start a new one, I'm starting my list now!

Lists?
Sounds like J Edgar Hoover to me:(
Or STASI:(

No doubt the lists of one person would differ from the lists of another, eh, Janne?

I hope so:)

I doubt there would be much difference though.

I'm starting my list now!

As you have inside knowledge, make sure you start from the top down. That'll keep you busy for some time so no need to use these boards as an example.

Unlike years ago, pretty certain the young of this generation have valid issues regarding their elders.

BTW, make sure you put yourself at the top of that list: -

(Tally 24 posts in 24 hours)

...you've beaten Janne by a furlong or two 17 in 7 hours

I think everybody builds a box over time; it's just a natural part of priorities changing. I don't understand or have interest in a lot of things younger people do nowadays, but I'm really live and let live about it.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

I'm starting my list now!

As you have inside knowledge, make sure you start from the top down. That'll keep you busy for some time so no need to use these boards as an example.

Unlike years ago, pretty certain the young of this generation have valid issues regarding their elders.

BTW, make sure you put yourself at the top of that list: -

(Tally 24 posts in 24 hours)

...you've beaten Janne by a furlong or two 17 in 7 hours

Chris should know I'm not alone in my postings.
I pick a lot from these guys:
Former FM and PM Carl Bildt who writes a lot on his Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/carlbildt
Dmitry Rogozin
Deputy Prime Minister of Russia. Deputy Head of the Military-Industrial Commission. Special Envoy of the President.
https://twitter.com/drogozin

Both Carl Bildt and Dmitry Rogozin have humour.

Janne 1 and Chris 0.

Hehe glad you are enjoying the side show Sarge, complete with movie breaks. I hope it gets to J=100 Vs C=0 the more Janne posts the more silly he makes himself look, bring it on I say. Popcorn anyone?

Sarge asked why there were no 40 year olds around. Simple answer is that they are out there running the world we live in. Those that gravitate to on line bulletin boards are the youngsters who think the world is being run wrongly, and the elder people who are now past running it. These sort of places are irrelevant to the shakers & movers.

Sarge did not ask that question; he responded to your comment:

Chris S wrote:

What I want to hear from is those in their 40's who are probably transitioning from one view to the other, and should therefore be able to see both sides, and hopefully come with a workable solution.

with:
Sarge wrote:

Also, I do not think you will find (here or much elsewhere) these transitioning 40-somethings you seek.

That you took Sarge's comment to mean that there are no 40-somethings posting to these boards may be a misinterpretation, Sarge could mean that of all the 40-somethings posting here, few, if any, may have the transitioning view you believe they would hold.

As a 40-something myself (the 575.5 was no lie), and do not have a transitioning view (and I don't believe any of my similarly aged friends have such a view) it might be possible why I believe you misinterpreted Sarge's post.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Bobby sees here (and in general) pretty well the point of my post(s).
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

I remember it as don't trust anyone over 30.

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I remember it as don't trust anyone over 30.

Hmmm, wonder if that was the inspiration for Logan's Run?

So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Yes I was there, and I have to a certain extent agree. But we both know the reason why, and I'm NOT going into that again.

so there's little to no transitioning occurring

Well then perhaps you might comment upon why as people get older they tend to move to the Right, but do NOT tend to move to the Left. Care to disprove that?

It's your assertion, so it's up to you to back it up with proof (not for others to disprove). Some research suggests proof may be hard to find (e.g. this, and this).

We've had a wild child in our own family, in her 20's anti everything you could name and more you couldn't. Piercings, stupid haircuts, lynch all politicians etc etc. Come 2015, late 40's, home owner, parent of 2 kids, responsible supervisor job. When you remind her, "Well OK so I was young once, weren't we all ...".

You will decidedly not get an across the board opinion on bulletin boards. As we all know 70% here are left wing, 30% are right wing.

Please do not assume that others think as you do ("we all know ..."). To my knowledge there has not been a poll of posters to assess what the distribution is, and I suspect that if one were conducted, a left/right axis may not prove useful.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

As we all know 70% here are left wing, 30% are right wing.

Who are we and where is your source Chris S?
Do you make lists and stats here?

So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.

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Reality Internet Personality

So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.

In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.

So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.

In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.

Anecdotal evidence is never going to be proof (in the sense of mathematical proof, however large samples of anecdotal evidence can be sufficient when dealing with non-mathematical areas such as human interaction). Its not even possible to assume that because you are surrounded by people who think like you that you represent a majority or a 'norm' because we tend to surround ourselves with people who think like us.

That is often the reason people get so upset when posting on seti and coming across points of view totally oppostie to theirs that they would never normally come across. Some peole can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.

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Reality Internet Personality

Some peole can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.

Yes several come to mind.

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Hmm to chime in about the claim that people move to the right as they get older, so far I too have defied that trend (if such a thing exists). Even the claim that young people are all clearly on the left side of the spectrum is just total nonsense. You should have seen how my highschool classmates voted in mock elections. There was literally one guy who voted left, most other people voted right or far far right. There were at least three people who openly defined themselves as 'Neo Nazi' (although I'm not entirely sure how much of that was just for lulz) and one person who's historical fascination with Hitler had some rather disturbing edges to it. I my self have gone from supporting a center right liberal party to a left wing green party. And lets just say that if you think I'm an angry young man right now, you should have seen me a couple of years back. Angry would not adequately cover it, vile hateful ignorant and stupid would be more accurate, and when I look back at my 16-20 year old self I am deeply ashamed of what I said and what I thought.

Ironically, my views back then were much more in line with Chris's. He probably would have liked me a lot more back then.

Oh as for the idea that 40 year olds are to busy to talk about politics on forums, I've met plenty, Ive talken to plenty, and surprising no one, cover a wide spectrum of views.

So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.

First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.

In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.

Anecdotal evidence is never going to be proof (in the sense of mathematical proof, however large samples of anecdotal evidence can be sufficient when dealing with non-mathematical areas such as human interaction). Its not even possible to assume that because you are surrounded by people who think like you that you represent a majority or a 'norm' because we tend to surround ourselves with people who think like us.

That is often the reason people get so upset when posting on seti and coming across points of view totally opposite to theirs that they would never normally come across. Some people can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.

I did find one article that attempts to provide reasons for people becoming right wing with age here, by attempting to knit together the results of potentially related research. I'm uncertain whether the article is persuasive, and in the final paragraph appears to undermine it's on hypothesis with:

[T]here is also compelling evidence for the idea that people become more exaggerated versions of themselves when they age.

As I recall, the research I found while studying politics at university had similar results. That these results have been supported for a period greater than 20 years suggests that either my memory is not what I would like it to be, or the myth should be dispensed with. (575.5 was not a lie, it was an age counted in months, rather than years, so anything in the range 480 to 600 would equate to 40 something years).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...