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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14649 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Question for the British contingent: How does a guard indicate to the driver to start moving? Is there a term used on UK trains that means "go!" equivalent to "highball" in North America? For trains which have separate coaches and locomotives: whistle and waved green flag (perhaps at more modern stations, a rigid paddle instead of a flag). For multiple-unit trains: internal bell signaling system. Two bells for go, one bell for stop. Again, on newer trains, the audio is more of a buzzer than a bell, but the codes (and there are many more of them) are the same. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
National Railway Museum, York. Don't forget the Imperial War Museum Duxford as well, at Birmingham which is near Wolverhampton. Angela that would mean you would have to plan on at least a week in the Midlands. But there is plenty to see and do, Midlands tourist attractions |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Question for the train aficionados: I should add that when recommending one to a non-railfan, I would also consider its interpretive efforts. I understand California State is a particularly good example of this, whereas it's one of our greatest criticisms. It's also the thing that other volunteers keep telling me I need to improve in my car talk. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Question for the British contingent: How does a guard indicate to the driver to start moving? Is there a term used on UK trains that means "go!" equivalent to "highball" in North America? Okay, the same as here. I was wondering if there was some word or phrase I should say on the radio when I'm conductor on Percy this month. We do try to use flags (or at least hand signals) to reduce radio chatter, especially on busy days. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14649 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Question for the British contingent: How does a guard indicate to the driver to start moving? Is there a term used on UK trains that means "go!" equivalent to "highball" in North America? At a busy junction or terminal station, I'd have thought there'd be too much risk of the wrong driver acting on a 'right away' or similar verbal message on an open, shared, radio channel. The advantage of the internal bell system is that it's two-directional: the driver repeats the signal back to the guard before acting on it, so there's some validation that he (or she) has heard it correctly. |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
The train museum in York is the best I've seen so far. There is a very good museum in Montreal, with Canadian built locos, and the train museum near Edmonton, Alberta is a sentimental favourite. They operate a couple of steam engines in the summer, fond memories of riding them with the kids when they were very young. |
Bill592 Send message Joined: 14 Jun 99 Posts: 207 Credit: 104,563 RAC: 0 |
Okay, the same as here. I was wondering if there was some word or phrase I should say on the radio when I'm conductor on Percy this month. We do try to use flags (or at least hand signals) to reduce radio chatter, especially on busy days. I can't answer that David however, here are a few I would definitely recommend that you NOT transmit over the Radio. 1.allahu akbar 2. sieg heil etc. etc. also .... I betting that you will be glad when I go back from whence I came (in one week) : ) Don't forget the Imperial War Museum Duxford as well, at Birmingham which is near Wolverhampton. I'd pay the price of admission just to see the Vulcan Bomber ! Awesome ) Bill |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22158 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
...the Vulcan at Cosford is not very well displayed, but there is one at Doncaster which if you book the right visit you can have a guided walk round and be there when they do a ground run of the engines at high power - not quiet Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Bill592 Send message Joined: 14 Jun 99 Posts: 207 Credit: 104,563 RAC: 0 |
...the Vulcan at Cosford is not very well displayed, but there is one at Doncaster which if you book the right visit you can have a guided walk round and be there when they do a ground run of the engines at high power - not quiet Thanks for that info Rob ! Bill |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11358 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
If he hasn't yet he needs to go to Seattle and visit The Museum of Flight. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Question for the British contingent: How does a guard indicate to the driver to start moving? Is there a term used on UK trains that means "go!" equivalent to "highball" in North America? Over here (museum or real world), a highball given on the radio includes the train ID. Whether the command is given by radio or other means, the response is always two short toots of the whistle/horn before actually starting to move. This also serves as a warning to anyone nearby that the train is about to move; as such, even one-man cars do it. At the museum, it is preferred for conductors to signal internally on cars so equipped, but I tend to forget. If I'm not near the bell when I remember, I might just say "ding ding" out loud. Back to my original purpose in asking, I suppose when I do Percy, I'll probably do it by radio so all my trainmen hear it too. Being on Percy himself, I'll be isolated from the coaches. I'm thinking I'll appoint a lead trainman who will report to me when all of them are ready to go. If it's the same as last year, the dispatcher will give me an order to work between station track two and some point to the east. That way, he won't have to talk to me again until the end of the day. Conversely, he has to give Thomas an order for every trip because he has to stop the streetcars first, and then again when Thomas comes back. The conflict will be if he's giving Thomas the return order when I'm trying to give a highball. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
I am really enjoying lurking in this thread. Also, thank you for all of the plane museum recommendations! |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Whilst I have been to the NRM and enjoyed it. I found all those magnificent machines together under one roof somehow a little sad. Many of them will never move under their own power again. I much prefer the "living museums" we have in the shape of the preserved railways. In fact I visited a new one for the first time yesterday The Mid Hants Railway or Watercress Line The line runs 10 miles from Alton to Alresford with the stations of Meadsted and Ropley in between. This time of year they run two steam engines and old Southern Railway coaches. This was the engine for my first trip Ivatt Class 2 2-6-2 41312 Back in steam since January this year. As many will say there is nothing quite like standing next to a working steam loco, and here on the Mid Hants the staff drivers and firemen were passionate, several young children were given tours on the footplate. However it is the whole experience that makes it special. I haven't ridden in a carriage like this since I was a schoolboy. And stations like this disappeared over the years. Because the line has no turntable or wye, the engines "run around" the train for the return journey, but always face in the same direction. Here is 41312 returning to Alton facing the the "right way". Here is the other engine doing the "run around" at Alresford It is BR Standard class 4 2-6-0 76017. This was the carriage I traveled back on. And 41312 running around. I actually took quite a bit of video, however I am currently using "hotel" Wi-Fi and it has taken ages just to get these few pictures uploaded. I will hopefully post a video or two when I am home again at the weekend. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
snipped... That be a BR Class 4 "Mogul", a Black 5 is a LMS Stanier Class 5MT (Mixed Traffic) 4-6-0 snipped Otherwise, thanks, nice post. |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34253 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
I like those pics Bernie. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
[quote]snipped... Yes you are correct, I thought I had removed that! I was looking up too may things on Google!! I blame hotel Wi-Fi and no mouse, I don't like touch pads!! |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Whilst I have been to the NRM and enjoyed it. I found all those magnificent machines together under one roof somehow a little sad. I know what you mean. In fact I visited a new one for the first time yesterday The Mid Hants Railway or Watercress Line Those are nice looking engines (except for the buffer plates and link-and-pin couplers ). This one reminds of this model that I've often been tempted to buy. However, I can't justify it among the other models I have, and also I can't find on google a picture of the real thing. It does look somewhat like this one, though. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
Thank you for sharing Bernie. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
Ianab Send message Joined: 11 Jun 08 Posts: 732 Credit: 20,635,586 RAC: 5 |
On the old steam train subject. This was in town last weekend on an excursion trip from Wellington. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQp2wjJcjlI |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
And yet another video!! Now back home with high speed internet and a better computer, I have joined together some of the action from the Mid Hants Railway. Quite long as I just love the sound of real steam. https://youtu.be/NQFAqCwI4m8 |
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