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Message 1709367 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 17:41:02 UTC

Well, they still melt in your mouth!




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Message 1709382 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 18:04:22 UTC

I eat meat and I wear leather shoes. I am not here as a vegan protestor. If people want to eat snake, or armadillo or horse or even raccoon I will not protest.

What I do protest is my brother-in-law's penchant for unnecessary killing. He is not eating the snakes he shoots in the desert. He leaves them there to rot. I suppose he is feeding the scavengers, but they seem to be doing just fine without his "help".
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Message 1709397 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 18:27:52 UTC - in response to Message 1709395.  

If you don't like yourself,
no one else will either!

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Message 1709438 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 20:13:56 UTC

My dad told me a story years back. You will like one Chris. He had a friend that had finally had enough of people "road killing" armadillos on purpose. So he made a special metal armadillo out of lead. He put it off the side of the road so you had to on purpose hit it. After the a couple of nights. The "armadillo hunting" stopped real fast.

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Message 1709441 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 20:17:02 UTC

@ Angela I strongly agree hence the post.

@ Chris S I agree but add Dogs to that list. Look a horse or a dog in the eye then try to eat one....

@ Snark Agree 100% on the fishing but due to the reason I feel it's a waste of time to catch and not partake. The pain thing is questionable, do rutabagas feel pain when pulled from the ground?

@ Admiral Nothing like a lead Armadillo to jolt you back to reality!

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Message 1709514 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 23:27:01 UTC
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Four years ago I accidentally unconverted a vociferous vegetarian.

*sad blink*

I didn't mean to. He'd become one because of his love of animals - and my carnivorousness had always troubled me, since I was really little, so I'd never minded really. But I have a mischievous streak... and I was being lectured (whilst eating some beef) and he was well - double-standarding in front of me - and it just came out *earnest gaze* a lovely compliment on his leather shoes, followed by an aside that it was just as well I didn't wear cow, or they might have had to kill one specially to make his jacket.

He gave up vegetarianism :/ and I became one soon after that :) after preparing a chicken for roasting and finding both it's legs were broken (not post slaughter) :((( I cook dead animals and fish for friends and family though - and sometimes lick my fingers *smack hand* but as regards fish not feeling pain when hooked - I disagree. And even if I'm wrong to disagree - I will still disagree :)

It's not sight that stops aquarium fish from crashing into the sides of their tanks, but pressure sensors around the mouth area. All fish have them so if they can pick up those signals, then it stands to reason surely - that impaling the inside of their mouth on a hook is going to be less than pleasant, and what about those that swallow the bait complete with hook, or get hooked in the gills? And the older a fish is, the harder it is to catch - particularly in waters where fish are returned - which suggests that they're not too keen on the experience.

My other half used to go fishing before he got ill - NOT to eat them - but to drag them gasping out the water, shove them in a keepnet for a long thrash about followed by an ignominious tipping back out again. I did a LOT of glaring at him in those days, and nose elevating, and disparaging sniffings.

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edit: place Admiral's dad's friend on pedstal :)

edit of edit: then move him onto a pedestal instead.
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Message 1709529 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 0:13:05 UTC

Well I got the TV stand in for My UN55D6050TFXZA Samsung TV, the base(about 11.375"x21.75") is BIG!

Unfortunately the upper part of the stand is the wrong one, the seller warned Me earlier that this might happen, so I emailed Him back saying, yep, you're right, He'll be sending the right one and hopefully 4 more screws too, since the bag and box were open, the bag was missing 4 screws, the stand needs 8 total, at least nothing was broken, since the bottom piece is metal and glass. As you can tell none of the holes line up, so I wait some more, next I'm going to have to see if a neighbor is home and get some help with the old dead tv, it's too bulky for 1 person to move and I have a spot picked out too, so far no one wants it either..

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Message 1709534 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 0:37:43 UTC - in response to Message 1709395.  

or horse

I am very sorry, but I have to disagree. Horses are for riding or breeding, they are NOT for eating. That is non-negotiable in my book, has been for 50 years, and always will be. If I lose friends because of it, then so be it. You either have principles and can look yourself in the mirror, or you don't.

Pigs are every bit as smart, if not smarter, than horses and dogs. I certainly cannot claim that a BLT has never landed on my plate.

Eric spent a great deal of time in South Korea several years ago, working on a project there. Dog was historically eaten in that country. My understanding is that there is a special eating breed of dog there that has been bred to be dumb as a stick. Dog is being phased out as a food in that country. I remember asking one of Eric's colleagues a question about it when he visited us. He seemed embarrassed that I had heard about dog being a food there, and he said that now it was just something that (and I quote) "only old men eat".

Chris, I believe that I have principles and that they are 100% consistent... perhaps more consistent than yours???

My principles dictate that until I give up eating meat and wearing leather shoes, I have absolutely no grounds for criticizing what others eat. Homo sapiens are omnivores and people all over the globe eat things that would not tempt my western palate, but I am in absolutely no position to pass judgment on what other individuals eat, nor am I in any position to pass judgment on what other cultures classify as food.

(Oh I suppose I might draw the line at cannibalism... but then again, under the right circumstances, who knows??? And it is nearly Halloween. Boo!)
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Message 1709540 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 0:58:56 UTC

Not to sound morbid Angela. But...I have heard reports of "human pork" being sold in the marketplace in N. Korea. I was watching a documentary about N. Korea refugees in S. Korea. The documentor asked the question if that was true or not. The refugees did not answer the question right away but had this "been busted" look.

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Message 1709545 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 1:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 1709534.  

or horse

I am very sorry, but I have to disagree. Horses are for riding or breeding, they are NOT for eating. That is non-negotiable in my book, has been for 50 years, and always will be. If I lose friends because of it, then so be it. You either have principles and can look yourself in the mirror, or you don't.

Pigs are every bit as smart, if not smarter, than horses and dogs. I certainly cannot claim that a BLT has never landed on my plate.

Eric spent a great deal of time in South Korea several years ago, working on a project there. Dog was historically eaten in that country. My understanding is that there is a special eating breed of dog there that has been bred to be dumb as a stick. Dog is being phased out as a food in that country. I remember asking one of Eric's colleagues a question about it when he visited us. He seemed embarrassed that I had heard about dog being a food there, and he said that now it was just something that (and I quote) "only old men eat".

Chris, I believe that I have principles and that they are 100% consistent... perhaps more consistent than yours???

My principles dictate that until I give up eating meat and wearing leather shoes, I have absolutely no grounds for criticizing what others eat. Homo sapiens are omnivores and people all over the globe eat things that would not tempt my western palate, but I am in absolutely no position to pass judgment on what other individuals eat, nor am I in any position to pass judgment on what other cultures classify as food.

(Oh I suppose I might draw the line at cannibalism... but then again, under the right circumstances, who knows??? And it is nearly Halloween. Boo!)

Ah yes, Halloween.. A really good time for a guy in a purple suit.. :D
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Message 1709546 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 1:07:09 UTC
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I have heard reports of "human pork" being sold


My bologna has a first name.......
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Message 1709547 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 1:07:17 UTC
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Not to sound morbid Angela. But...I have heard reports of "human pork" being sold in the marketplace in N. Korea. I was watching a documentary about N. Korea refugees in S. Korea. The documentor asked the question if that was true or not. The refugees did not answer the question right away but had this "been busted" look.


North Korea was in a state of famine from 1994 to 1998. If my children were dying of starvation, who knows to what lengths I would go to feed them?

What shocks me more is hearing that there are North Korean refugees in South Korea. The demilitarized zone, despite its name, is actually HEAVILY militarized on both sides. My biggest (admittedly irrational) fear when Eric was working in South Korea was that he would go out some weekend looking for a good place to fish and accidentally wander into the demilitarized zone, where he would be promptly shot by one side or the other!!!
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Message 1709582 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 3:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 1709547.  

Not to sound morbid Angela. But...I have heard reports of "human pork" being sold in the marketplace in N. Korea. I was watching a documentary about N. Korea refugees in S. Korea. The documentor asked the question if that was true or not. The refugees did not answer the question right away but had this "been busted" look.


North Korea was in a state of famine from 1994 to 1998. If my children were dying of starvation, who knows to what lengths I would go to feed them?

What shocks me more is hearing that there are North Korean refugees in South Korea. The demilitarized zone, despite its name, is actually HEAVILY militarized on both sides. My biggest (admittedly irrational) fear when Eric was working in South Korea was that he would go out some weekend looking for a good place to fish and accidentally wander into the demilitarized zone, where he would be promptly shot by one side or the other!!!

I take the "shocking" reports about North Korea as manufactured propaganda for consumption in South Korea.

If all you were worried about was Eric picking the wrong fishing spot, I won't tell you about the water holes my military buddies talk of and the kind of fish they have. Oh, wait, those were watering holes, not a water hole for fish that have gills. Never mind. :)
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Message 1709585 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 3:13:06 UTC - in response to Message 1709547.  

Not to sound morbid Angela. But...I have heard reports of "human pork" being sold in the marketplace in N. Korea. I was watching a documentary about N. Korea refugees in S. Korea. The documentor asked the question if that was true or not. The refugees did not answer the question right away but had this "been busted" look.


North Korea was in a state of famine from 1994 to 1998. If my children were dying of starvation, who knows to what lengths I would go to feed them?

...!

I am pretty sure that as much as I love my cat, I'd feed her to my kids if they were starving.
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Message 1709607 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 5:19:51 UTC

As it has been said. You do what you have to do. I am glad we (I hope all of us) do not have to do that. It will have to be a frozen day in he££ to have me resorting to companion pets as food. I pray it never happens.

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Message 1709610 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 5:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 1709607.  

As it has been said. You do what you have to do. I am glad we (I hope all of us) do not have to do that. It will have to be a frozen day in he££ to have me resorting to companion pets as food. I pray it never happens.

+1 on that.
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Message 1709637 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 7:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 1709607.  

As it has been said. You do what you have to do. I am glad we (I hope all of us) do not have to do that. It will have to be a frozen day in he££ to have me resorting to companion pets as food. I pray it never happens.

I can safely say that I would die of starvation before I would extend my life by taking that of one of my cats.
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Message 1709646 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 8:25:34 UTC - in response to Message 1709645.  

Chris...
I don't think that I would consider an affinity for the welfare of other animals that share our planet with us an 'achilles heel'.
I have an affinity for one particular species....kitties deluxus.

The world would be a lot better place if there were more that gave such concern about other animals. Including our own species.
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Message 1709649 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 8:45:36 UTC - in response to Message 1709648.  

Well, I, for one, am not offended at all.

Meow for now, off to bed with the kitties go I.
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Message 1709710 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 13:25:00 UTC
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Same here Chris, same here, I'm not offended by what you said either.
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