Could it be said that proposing the destruction of "left wing/right wing secular ideology" is itself an ideology that has the potential to snuff out a few hundred million, perhaps even a couple of billion, people?

I told CLYDE the same exact thing once upon a time. Every person's opinion is their belief system or ideology. Yet CLYDE proffers that he's an Atheist to ideology, and has named all "ideology" the enemy. He claims ideology is like a religion and asserts those stating a strong belief in something that happens to be in line with left-wing or right-wing are akin to religious beliefs.

I attempted to point out the irony of his claims but he hasn't yet realized how impossible his position is.

OzzFan...

You, and others, sharing your Belief System, do not, nor will never understand this:

Non-practical, I Have The Truth, Ideology/Religion Believers. Are, what they are. Which, as History Instructs. Will eventually, if they gain power, murder and enslave Innocents.

Is a Believer in a Religion and/or Ideology, capable of Thinking outside their very small box?

Haven't seen any evidence of that, yet.

Sorry in disturbing your 'Of us, By us, For us' thinking. This Blasphemer and Apostate, to your 'Beliefs', cannot help himself.

CLYDE...

Why do you claim I don't understand your position? Is it because I disagree with your assertions that you conclude I mustn't understand lest I would agree with you? What box have you put me in that you think I can't think outside of?

Those are serious questions. You seem to think that disagreement with another is equivalent to an inability to understand or consider other positions to a given scenario.

By all means... 'disturb' my thinking and enlighten me. That is the entire reason I enjoy reading posts of opposing views. But please, at least engage in answering questions posed of you so that I may better understand rather than your typical hand waiving non-responses.

Worst of all, "I Have The Truth: ... he's one of the few here that acts as if he is in any possession of truth. Thus, all that's left to still judge him on is the "practicality" of his "Truthiness".

Question...

What is YOUR Solution to the Evils of Capitalism.

Good starting point, for this discussion.

Let's start a new thread if we're going to change subjects, shall we?

Not the question?

How did I know you could not answer, without proving my point.

Thank you.

I don't know CLYDE. How did you know I couldn't answer without proving your point? You're just too smart for me! You've out-witted me with your superior discussion skills. I am defeated!

Responding to your question, is 'changing subjects'.

Yes, answering my question was changing subjects. That doesn't give us license to continue to move the thread even further off topic. I didn't realize that trying to avoid hijacking threads was my attempt to avoid answering your questions though. Thanks for setting me straight.

Why don't we both admit defeat, and move on.

:) :) :)

Because, despite what you obviously think, I am not here as some sort of sport to "defeat" the other person. Your responses betray that you actually do think that is the purpose of discussion here.

It's no wonder that no one can engage in discussion with you. Your automatic defenses to your ideology prevent you from seeing outside your position. To this Atheist of your ideology, you seem afraid to open up.

This would go against his early claim that these message boards and their discussions are pointless and worthless and merely for killing time. Not an exact quote but a darn good paraphrase.

OzzFan...

You have disappointed me. Thought there might be some hope for you. Regarding an Intelligent Back-and-Forth Discussion.

Clyde there is so seldom forth from you that discussion is impossible.

Do understand.

But you have to understand.

My attackers, which include you, do not understand this:

Although your silly attacks, and false ascertains, may succeed in silencing others, in your little, and shallow thinking universe.

Your, and others of your type. Obsessive Inner Need to Silence and Ridicule, those who are not you:

Shows me I am correct in my assessment.

I will continue to respond to your, and others, obviously desperate attempts at Ridicule, Childish Attacks, and False Ascertains.

Why not. I find your type fascinating.

False this, false that, Jesus hit me in the head with a wiffle ball bat.
Sebse of humor: some of will respond to Adam Sandler movie references.
Or, you could yadda yadda yadda kitty man's thread no longer being about sparing a square and sponge-worthiness.
But, to be more to the point: you name things you have done from the beginning or very nearly so. I sent you wise-guy PMs at the beginning to lightly warn you of the error of your ways, but,no, you had to plow on and now you cry that on occasions people lose patience with you, dishing out what you dish all the time. That anybody still gives you creedence revival of the clearwater in FLorida (waving to Tom de la Cruz) is absolutely astounding.
To be honest, I think the last such example of such incredible patience (not by me this time) was by me in 2006 and 2007 with atheist rappa Chuck D. (Funny how OzzFan and Gary's SHORT inputs on a few of these matters helped plant a seed to change my thinking. Which, of course, never actually changed, because, naturally, I am an Ideologue and by your wack definition tyhat's what I am and how I am.)

POINT BLANK, buddy, MOST OF US are here to GAIN additional ways of looking at things. This place used to be a LOT more active. It is quieter now, not because others were silenced, but because a small number of the silencers held power and abused it. Project admin/scientists eventually dealt with it. But, a price was, with a calmer and more peaceful board compared to before, also less diversity. Most of us that remain do enjoy the DISCUSSIONS. If you do not believe or like that, I could come up with a few choice phrases with what I'd like you to do with your UNINFORMED *beliefs*.

POINT BLANK, buddy, MOST OF US are here to GAIN additional ways of looking at things. This place used to be a LOT more active. It is quieter now, not because others were silenced, but because a small number of the silencers held power and abused it. Project admin/scientists eventually dealt with it. But, a price was, with a calmer and more peaceful board compared to before, also less diversity. Most of us that remain do enjoy the DISCUSSIONS. If you do not believe or like that, I could come up with a few choice phrases with what I'd like you to do with your UNINFORMED *beliefs*.

Yes, this used to resemble Usenet; then there was the era of the 30; then there was the era of silence; now there is a spark of discussion again. Many of us do like discussion, even radically different viewpoints. Most of us left who discuss will eventually get around to offering our actual viewpoint with starting assumptions, which we find is different than that of others. More often than not when we put the same initial conditions in we come to close but never exactly similar conclusions. However now we have a wild card in the deck. One that simply isn't funny. Not because it isn't capable of humor, but because it sees humor in always playing 52 card pickup, by destroying the game, any conversation.

Recently a birdie came tweeting by the window and suggested it was time for 30V.2! Terrible idea, but the frustration is real. There are miscreants out there who refuse to get a clue, and the proposal is to knock some sense into them not just with a rolling pin, but a chrome vanadium steel 4 x 4 swung with a couple months force.

As at my core I believe in free speech, your ability "to open your mouth and remove all doubt" as it were, I don't think that hitting idiots with 4 x 4's is going to do any good. I don't think they can take a clue and the occasional gadfly isn't a reason the throw the baby out with the bathwater. I do think that fixing the BOINC boards so that the filter is a real filter is the answer. A selective mute button, not one that puts flashing red lights saying press here!

Now that BOINC is self governed, we need to convince that group that this issue is important and worthy of some coding resources. We need the filter to work, from the person who does the filter, using the same process as the banish code works for everyone. It should make the person filtered completely disappear from view. Then a link in the header to temporarily unfilter could be used as every once in a while people need their blood to boil.

I think having a more complete filter would in many instances make the job of the mods much easier. User self modding. That should appeal to project admins. Including a button at the bottom of each post next to the red-x that say looks like a net that engages the more powerful filter is a good start. Perhaps also an option in the red-x processing to ask to also filter would be a good idea.

Now I could toss out a database function to score users based on how many filters, but that is entirely new code and would also add processor load. Might be cute to see that on user profiles though. ;)

Anyway it is time to get some ZZZZZZZZ

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Ah those mild mannered loving, forgiving Christians are at it again ...
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/17/lets_burn_it_down_detroit_christians_conspire_to_prevent_satanic_temple_from_unveiling_baphomet_statue/

“Let’s burn it down!”: Detroit Christians conspire to prevent Satanic Temple from unveiling Baphomet statue
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Greaves believes that Dearing backed out because of pressure from local Christian groups — pressure that would make any venue wary of hosting the unveiling. “IT IS EVERY CHRISTIAN’S DUTY TO DESTROY THIS IF YOU SEE IT DESTROY THIS STATUE DESTROY THIS STATUE DESTROY THIS STATUE” reads one Facebook post Greaves provided to Mehta. “Let’s burn the statue down!” reads another.
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“Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of Assembly mean nothing if we can not learn to accept their value in protecting even — perhaps especially — those views with which we disagree. While the modern Evangelical Right increasingly strives to deify the Founding Fathers, wrapping the cross in a flag and claiming the Constitution as Holy Writ, it takes but a lawful (though admittedly decadent, elaborate, and bizarre) Satanic celebration to strip away the cheap façade, revealing them for the stale theocratic oppressors they aspire to be.”

Looks to me like every other Abrahamist ...

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