And costly, too.
This is just so outragiously wrong that it has me seething.

Let them eat cake.
Hope they choke on it.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Can't speak for other countries, but...

This Left Wing Anti-Religion Bigotry, has to stop.

The 'Reaction', if it doesn't: Will be horrendous, against these Left Wing, Anti-Religious Freedoms, Bigots. As it should be against all Bigots.

BTW: Unlike the Evil Left - This Atheist is not Anti-Religion. But Pro-Freedom for all.

'The Reaction', when it comes, is going to be even more hard and swift than the muslims are trying to impose now.
I am talking biblical in proportions.
We have had about enough of trash talking about Christ.
It is not gonna stand, and we are about to have it out with the Muslims and about every other creed, race, and nation on the planet.
We are done dealing.
Christ is King. He always has been.
He died on the cross so YOU can be free of sin.
And for myself, I am quite done apologizing.
I have atoned for my sins. The sins of my father. The sins of my brothers.
The sins of my unborn child......yes, I have one.

I am done dealing.
Jesus of Nazareth has dealt me a new life, and I intend to use it to it's fullest, even if I fail.

And none of you, hard as you may try, may take that from my grip.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And costly, too.
This is just so outragiously wrong that it has me seething.

Let them eat cake.
Hope they choke on it.

http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.400 and http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV&sectionNum=51.

Guess if you intend on preaching your Christianity outside the church and forcing others to partake, it will cost you. But I suppose Mark, you would have no objection to a Muslim forcing you to obey his Sharia law outside his mosque, say on your lawn. Because Mark, that is what you are asking for.

Is it me, or is it just in the south where they don't adopt law preventing a business from discriminating, because they would love to go back to separate but unequal so they can have a "whites only" sign?

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Please refrain, in an Intelligent Discussion (if possible), using the canard of Anti-Free Speech, by mentioning 'Yelling Fire in a Movie Theater'.

This is what Non-Intelligent People do, to make a false point.

Well said, though the only person so far to raise that point is, umm, you.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Can't speak for other countries, but...

This Left Wing Anti-Religion Bigotry, has to stop.

The 'Reaction', if it doesn't: Will be horrendous, against these Left Wing, Anti-Religious Freedoms, Bigots. As it should be against all Bigots.

BTW: Unlike the Evil Left - This Atheist is not Anti-Religion. But Pro-Freedom for all.

I'm curious what you would say if that headline read 'Christian bakery fined for refusing to bake cake for an interracial couple - claims that interracial marriages go against their religion'. And before you question the likelihood of such a thing, do remember that much of the racism was backed by religious arguments. Slavery was supported with religious arguments, so it really won't be that hard to find some bigots that think interracial marriages are awful on religious grounds.

Would that still be religious freedom?

Then what about a business refusing to serve Jews, Atheists, Muslims and Catholics because those are all heathens? Still religious freedom?

What you are defending is not religious freedom, you are defending the freedom to be a hateful bigot.

I am 99.44% certain I am most responsible, on the S@H fora, for working to guarantee the freedom of the Religious (Christian, Mulsim, Buddhist, etc. ...) and Atheist to speak here. (May we call upon, as witnesses, Jeffrey, Chuck etc. ... ?)

What we have in this thread is a threat from one person and an elitist misjudging name-caller also implying a threat.

Damned hard to be a Christian these days..........

Any harder than when Caesar ruled?

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Please refrain, in an Intelligent Discussion (if possible), using the canard of Anti-Free Speech, by mentioning 'Yelling Fire in a Movie Theater'.

This is what Non-Intelligent People do, to make a false point.

Well said, though the only person so far to raise that point is, umm, you.

Of course not.

Do understand the Unthinking Ideologues, as Unthinking Religious Fanatics, do make your type of observations.

Have to. Because their 'Ideas' do not hold up. In any Intelligent Discussion.

BTW Bobby: What is you 'take' regarding the Anti-Religious Bigotry of The Left.

"The Left" and "Anti-Religiuous Bigotry" appear to be two terms you use frequently, however as I don't yet understand what you mean by either, it would be foolhardy for me to provide a "take" on them. Perhaps if you were to start a thread on the subjects ...

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I would strongly suspect that the BUSINESS license held by the owners of this bakery prohibits discrimination when it comes to serving the public. The bakery owners appear to have practiced discrimination and they are now paying the penalty for violating the terms of their BUSINESS license.

I would strongly suspect that the BUSINESS license held by the owners of this bakery prohibits discrimination when it comes to serving the public. The bakery owners appear to have practiced discrimination and they are now paying the penalty for violating the terms of their BUSINESS license.

Not their business license but Oregon State Civil Code
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403 wrote:

§ 659A.403¹
Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not prohibit:

(a) The enforcement of laws governing the consumption of alcoholic beverages by minors and the frequenting by minors of places of public accommodation where alcoholic beverages are served; or

(b) The offering of special rates or services to persons 50 years of age or older.

(3) It is an unlawful practice for any person to deny full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation in violation of this section.

Then there is California's
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV&sectionNum=51. wrote:

Civil Code - CIV
DIVISION 1. PERSONS [38 - 86] ( Heading of Division 1 amended by Stats. 1988, Ch. 160, Sec. 12. )

PART 2. PERSONAL RIGHTS [43 - 53.7] ( Part 2 enacted 1872. )

51.

(a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Unruh Civil Rights Act.

(b) All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.

(c) This section shall not be construed to confer any right or privilege on a person that is conditioned or limited by law or that is applicable alike to persons of every sex, color, race, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, marital status, or sexual orientation or to persons regardless of their genetic information.

(d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to require any construction, alteration, repair, structural or otherwise, or modification of any sort whatsoever, beyond that construction, alteration, repair, or modification that is otherwise required by other provisions of law, to any new or existing establishment, facility, building, improvement, or any other structure, nor shall anything in this section be construed to augment, restrict, or alter in any way the authority of the State Architect to require construction, alteration, repair, or modifications that the State Architect otherwise possesses pursuant to other laws.

(e) For purposes of this section:

(1) “Disability” means any mental or physical disability as defined in Sections 12926 and 12926.1 of the Government Code.

(2) (A) “Genetic information” means, with respect to any individual, information about any of the following:

(i) The individual’s genetic tests.

(ii) The genetic tests of family members of the individual.

(iii) The manifestation of a disease or disorder in family members of the individual.

(B) “Genetic information” includes any request for, or receipt of, genetic services, or participation in clinical research that includes genetic services, by an individual or any family member of the individual.

(C) “Genetic information” does not include information about the sex or age of any individual.

(3) “Medical condition” has the same meaning as defined in subdivision (h) of Section 12926 of the Government Code.

(4) “Religion” includes all aspects of religious belief, observance, and practice.

(5) “Sex” includes, but is not limited to, pregnancy, childbirth, or medical conditions related to pregnancy or childbirth. “Sex” also includes, but is not limited to, a person’s gender. “Gender” means sex, and includes a person’s gender identity and gender expression. “Gender expression” means a person’s gender-related appearance and behavior whether or not stereotypically associated with the person’s assigned sex at birth.

(6) “Sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation” includes a perception that the person has any particular characteristic or characteristics within the listed categories or that the person is associated with a person who has, or is perceived to have, any particular characteristic or characteristics within the listed categories.

(7) “Sexual orientation” has the same meaning as defined in subdivision (r) of Section 12926 of the Government Code.

(f) A violation of the right of any individual under the federal Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-336) shall also constitute a violation of this section.

Unfortunately bigots are ingenious and continue to find new ways to express their bigotry so the law has to get longer to cover these newly made up methods.

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Don't Lose Your Head Over 'it'.

Donate Enough Monies to S at H and Maybe GOD will Summon ETI, and 'We' will All Be 'Saved'.

The 'One' 'Commandment' of Livin' LIfe These Days in Da GOoD ole U S of A:

Don't PISS OFF Da Left.

Do Dat, and All Be 'Gravy'.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Welcome to yet another thread, Gollum. ;) Or, since you change your screen name so often, would you prefer "Smeagol"? "Former possessor of the Precious"?

...Don't PISS OFF Da Left....

My dear troll, please know that we lefties staunchly defend your right to stand up and vomit whatever hateful speech you should happen to spew forth from that orifice you call mouth. In fact, I have a current ACLU card to prove it.

You're welcome.

Just know that we reserve the right to challenge you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of good taste and we reserve the right to prosecute you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of civil liberty. I have a current Southern Poverty Law Center membership and a current Americans United For Separation of Church and State membership to prove that too.

...Don't PISS OFF Da Left....

My dear troll, please know that we lefties staunchly defend your right to stand up and vomit whatever hateful speech you should happen to spew forth from that orifice you call mouth. In fact, I have a current ACLU card to prove it.

You're welcome.

Just know that we reserve the right to challenge you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of good taste and we reserve the right to prosecute you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of civil liberty. I have a current Southern Poverty Law Center membership and a current Americans United For Separation of Church and State membership to prove that too.

+1!
"
They can't even tell who is "left" vs. independent. So=called "anti-capitalist" cannot be entirely "right", either.

Thank You, Defender of My Liberty. I Know Your Cards and Memberships are Protecting Me As I Vomit.



I Always Feel Better after A GOoD VOm'it'.

Yep

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Dung who was was once a worm, the fact is regardless of your religion our country does not allow you to write your own laws. If you advocate that rather than being the conservative troll as you claim to be you are an anarchist. You have a big disconnect in logic.

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...Don't PISS OFF Da Left....

My dear troll, please know that we lefties staunchly defend your right to stand up and vomit whatever hateful speech you should happen to spew forth from that orifice you call mouth. In fact, I have a current ACLU card to prove it.

You're welcome.

Just know that we reserve the right to challenge you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of good taste and we reserve the right to prosecute you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of civil liberty. I have a current Southern Poverty Law Center membership and a current Americans United For Separation of Church and State membership to prove that too.

Examines wallet to see if a pickpocket has been at work. No cards are still there.

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Thank You, Defender of My Liberty. I Know Your Cards and Memberships are Protecting Me As I Vomit.
I Always Feel Better after A GOoD VOm'it'.
Yep

Gee DungBeetle, it must really suck to be angry all the time, and have no-one but your cats and plants to take it out on.
Thank the Lord for the Seti Forums.
If Setizens are too harsh in their words you can always claim elder-abuse.

Don't worry, if we work to take away his liberties, instead ... the false flag Clyde raises ... he'll be vomiting then as well. Can't win.

They provide a public good in that it gives others clear warning signs of what to be on the lookout for and avoid in their own behavior.

Yes

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I we speaking of Small, Family Run Businesses?

Or National/International Capitalist Businesses?

BTW: Do this to Muslims. I dare you.

This is an example, using Left Speak, of Christianphobia, of course.

How is the size of the business relevant? This is about the religious freedom of the people that own the business/run the business. So, can they ban Muslims or Jews or people with religious convictions other than their own from doing business with them because religious freedom somehow means that you can discriminate against people with different religious beliefs. Or doesn't that actually make sense and religious freedom doesn't mean you can use your religion as an excuse to discriminate?

And I think so far homosexuals and Muslims react in a pretty similar way to bigots refusing to do business with them. They go to their nearest civil rights group, get a lawyer and sue the business into oblivion, while going to the media to publicly shame the business owners for being the bigots that they are.

As for Christianphobia, I don't think you understand what the word means. It literally means 'fear of Christians'. How is this an example of fear of Christians? At what part am I afraid and at what part is that fear specifically aimed at Christians? All I'm saying is that I don't want businesses to use religion as an excuse to discriminate against people. In this case it are Christian business owners that are doing the discriminating and not Muslim or Jewish business owners.