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Message 1697315 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:06:46 UTC

I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?
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Message 1697316 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:16:06 UTC - in response to Message 1697315.  
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What message are you getting?

I would expect it is saying You are full since you mentioned it is a slow cruncher.
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Message 1697320 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:29:26 UTC - in response to Message 1697316.  
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What message are you getting?

I would expect it is saying You are full since you mentioned it is a slow cruncher.


basically, it reports "not requesting tasks, Don't need, (cpu cache full Nvidia GPU cache full) or words to that effect ;-)

I guess my query should be, why does Boinc/Seti consider it full?

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Message 1697321 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 1697315.  

"Job cache full" (to quote the exact Event Log message) is a measure of the total estimated runtime of the tasks cached, rather than a count of the number.
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Message 1697323 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:32:30 UTC - in response to Message 1697315.  
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I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.
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Message 1697329 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 13:45:17 UTC - in response to Message 1697321.  

"Job cache full" (to quote the exact Event Log message) is a measure of the total estimated runtime of the tasks cached, rather than a count of the number.

Multiplied by:

Fraction of time BOINC is running
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed
While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed
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Message 1697338 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 14:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 1697323.  
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I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.


So, would it be fair to say, that Boinc /Seti uses the same formula for all pc's, and 100 + 100 is just a maximum number?
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Message 1697342 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 14:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 1697338.  
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I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.


So, would it be fair to say, that Boinc /Seti uses the same formula for all pc's, and 100 + 100 is just a maximum number?
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The formula is the same for everyone. The variables can change. Such as requested queue size & the machine speed.
The BOINC client will request as much work as you specify in your settings. The SETI@home project has set a limit of 100 CPU & 100 GPU tasks. So a faster machine will have the task count as its limit. Where slower machines will have the cache/day settings at their limit.
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Message 1697344 - Posted: 1 Jul 2015, 15:00:30 UTC - in response to Message 1697342.  

I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.


So, would it be fair to say, that Boinc /Seti uses the same formula for all pc's, and 100 + 100 is just a maximum number?
P.

The formula is the same for everyone. The variables can change. Such as requested queue size & the machine speed.
The BOINC client will request as much work as you specify in your settings. The SETI@home project has set a limit of 100 CPU & 100 GPU tasks. So a faster machine will have the task count as its limit. Where slower machines will have the cache/day settings at their limit.



Many thanks to all who replied, my knowledge (such as it is) has been enhanced.

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