"We are at war against a new kind of phenomenon," says Tunisian Tourism Minister Salma Elloumi Rerik to DN when she comes out of the government crisis meeting on Saturday. Whole areas of the country should now be declared closed military zones.

- My view on this has changed at a stroke. It's terrible, says a visibly moved Minister to DN.

The Tunisian mass murderer, Seifeddine Rezgui "al-Kairouni", lived on the first floor of a dusty street in North Africa holy city of Kairouan. Here he spewed out his hatred of democracy and modern lifestyle in social media.

- He was a quiet man who did not talk much with neighbors, explained Mohammed Mijibri to DN. On Sunday there was a shaking neighborhood who discovered that they had been living neighbors Tunisia's worst terrorist of modern times.
After the terrorist attack in the tourist town discovered the Tunisian police his Facebook and Twitter accounts. They are now closed.

"If the love of jihad is a crime, so the world will testify that I am a criminal," he wrote, among other things.
As a profile picture, he had a sword on green background. The contents were stuffed with hatred and exhortations to jihad, as well as invective against Tunisia's democratic leadership.

Anders Breivik comes to mind...

The current terrorism threat level has been at Severe since 2014, and the last time it was at Critical was 2007. The top level effectively puts the country on a war footing, with every Town & County Council, Local Authority, Emergency & Armed Services, putting into action well rehearsed plans. It would effectively be Operation UK Lockdown. I wouldn't doubt that COBRA is constantly reviewing it, given the circumstances.

"In war the only sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of the offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it."
--- GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON, JR.
"Never let the enemy pick the battle site."
--- GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON, JR.

Patton was a general fighting against other generals in WWII.
Killing civilians are a completly different thing.
Today war is very much different. Hybrid war, Terrorism, propaganda...
The Tunis tragedy is most likely a start of something more.
Great Britain is very much a target for the IS.
My guess is that the threat level in UK is now high.

Here is Patton at my regiment in Uppsala.

After observing a minute's silence for the victims of the Tunisia massacre, David Cameron delivers a statement on the security situation at home and abroad. The prime minister announces a major counter-terrorism training exercise in London before echoing Angus Robertson, the SNP leader in Westminster, in his call for the government and the media to stop calling Isis 'Islamic State'.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/jun/29/tunisia-massacre-mps-observe-minutes-silence-video
IS, Isis, Isil, Daesh - what is right?
"Daesh" the Arabic equivalent to Isis, the acronym for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (in Arabic al-Dawla al-Islamiyya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham).
Daesh is also close to an Arabic word for trampling or crushing, in itself contributing to the group's opponents prefer Daesh.
Several governments including the United States uses the name "Isil" - like Isis, but with an L for "Levant". This older term is closer to the Arabic al-Sham in that it concerns a wider area than today's Syria, but bear according to some of the colonial associations.
More and more media like Reuters, AP, AFP, BBC, the New York Times and TT use, however some variation on the Islamic state (IS) to describe the movement, which is what today they calls themself.

Whatever. They are all terrorists:(

Well it seems that to fight terrorism and or the jihadists will require a different approach.
Infiltration, Identification, And then assasanation.
Maybe the world should take lessons on how the Mossad handles threats.
If you have sometnhing that wants to kill you. Do you react to it, Or do you go and kill it?
Do you make the pain of retaliation so fierce that it makes them think twice before they attack again?

I dont have a clue. But kissing there ass dsoent seem to be working.

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Old James

This how the British do it, as it should be done, and as it will always be done.

Why?

Wouldn't it be much better to give armed forces the right to take their gloves off & deal with it according to how their enemy deals with it. The Geneva Convention has no meaning for animals.

Well it seems that to fight terrorism and or the jihadists will require a different approach.
Infiltration, Identification, And then assasanation.
Maybe the world should take lessons on how the Mossad handles threats.
If you have sometnhing that wants to kill you. Do you react to it, Or do you go and kill it?
Do you make the pain of retaliation so fierce that it makes them think twice before they attack again?

I dont have a clue. But kissing there ass dsoent seem to be working.

Arabs says إن شاء الله God Willing. And Allahu Akbar.
Jihadists are criminals according to Mohammed and the Koran "the Noble Recitation".

Does he have a valid point?

Russell Brand believes the minute's silence is an 'empty futile gesture'?
What the ....?
A minute's silence means that you pay respect to others and in this case also a demonstration that we don't accept this meaningless killings.
Like after Anders Breivik's killings in Norway, a minute's silence also was held.

but the fact than any poster here would even begin to think that he had a point, is an insult to the dead, their families, Seti, and the rest of us

A question was asked, no views were mentioned. Just like science, questions are asked with many differing answers depending on the view of the scientists answering that question.

For you to post the above is certainly an insult to all that ask questions.

Brand and those that support his views are thankfully very much in the minority, but the fact than any poster here would even begin to think that he had a point, is an insult to the dead, their families, Seti, and the rest of us. Yes we know that the UK arms industry sells goods abroad to other countries, but in this case, the gunmen used a Kalashnikov weapon which is not made in the UK.

So say the gunman had used a gun that was made in the UK, Brand would have had a point?

I think Brand has a point, although I disagree with the one minute of silence being nonsense. But the bit about the UK's foreign policy, perhaps it is time to ask some critical questions about what the UK does and how that may cause terrorism such as this.

Also, would you stop speaking on behalf of other people, such as the dead, their families and other Seti forum posters. I don't like it when you try to use me to make a point about something, and honestly I think its even more disgusting that you would use the dead to make a point about something. Especially if its little more than an appeal to emotion to try and shut someone up. Its a bad discussion technique and in this case its also a very rude one.

Sweden and several other countries follow Britain's example in terms of advice against travel to the terror stricken Tunisia.

The Tunisian government is irritated at London.
London justified the measure that the Tunisian authorities can not protect tourists.
Prime Minister Habib Essid, whose country is dependent on tourism income, says he'll call his British colleague David Cameron.

But I am quite sure that our own security services are working closely with their Tunisia counterparts to offer what help we can.

How about helping at home? Toughen up on this "flaw" in the system & you'll reduce home grown terrorism up to 50%!

Hate preacher who inspired beach massacre on £50,000 benefits

"MPs and campaigners praised the Mail for exposing the alleged abuse of the benefits system."

But I am quite sure that our own security services are working closely with their Tunisia counterparts to offer what help we can.

How about helping at home? Toughen up on this "flaw" in the system & you'll reduce home grown terrorism up to 50%!

Hate preacher who inspired beach massacre on £50,000 benefits

"MPs and campaigners praised the Mail for exposing the alleged abuse of the benefits system."

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

Waste of taxpayers money.

It's a simple enough answer.

Change the international image of this country. Easy to do but & it's a big but because of too many BHL's & Jobsworths within the system.

Turn this country around so that international image is no longer one of Britain being a "soft touch".

Unfortunately, that'll never happen in our lifetime.

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

He personally doesn't get 50k, its the combined total of what he and his wife supposedly receive.

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

He personally doesn't get 50k, its the combined total of what he and his wife supposedly receive.

& that makes all the difference does it? You'd make an excellent combined BHL & Jobsworth!

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

He personally doesn't get 50k, its the combined total of what he and his wife supposedly receive.

So the man and his wife get the median pay in the UK in subsidies.
Is that possible?
Here you get the median pay of very low income jobs.
And that man has a history...

He has used public money to fund a legal battle to prevent his deportation on human rights grounds. He claims he will be killed or tortured if he is sent back to his native Egypt, where he has been convicted in his absence of plotting terror attacks.

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

He personally doesn't get 50k, its the combined total of what he and his wife supposedly receive.

& that makes all the difference does it? You'd make an excellent combined BHL & Jobsworth!

No, I'm simply clarifying something Janne didn't understand from reading the article. I'm not saying its right, it will be up to the relevant authorities to decide whether the guy has received his benefits checks according to how it should go.

Besides, disability benefits only make up a portion of his income (disability benefits are about 560 pounds per person per month). In order to earn 50k they both have to claim a whole lot more than just disability benefits.

That makes solving a problem like this more difficult because it doesn't necessarily mean these people are doing anything wrong. They can just be in the position where they are entitled to access to the various benefits that exist. If you remove one benefit entirely it will hurt a lot of other people who don't earn nearly as much, and if you just start cutting in all of the benefits you again will almost entirely hurt people who don't earn nearly as much.

£50,000!!!
Thats almost twice then the median pay in the UK!
What happened to this?

Cameron has set the rule that no family will receive more in subsidies than the average income of British families.
Iain Duncan Smith, the architect of the reforms, also decided that two million people who go on sick pay must undergo a medical examination for an assessment of what kind of work they could perform.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svd.se%2Fvad-sverige-kan-lara-av-storbritanniens-mirakel&edit-text=

He personally doesn't get 50k, its the combined total of what he and his wife supposedly receive.

So the man and his wife get the median pay in the UK in subsidies.
Is that possible?
Here you get the median pay of very low income jobs.
And that man has a history...

He has used public money to fund a legal battle to prevent his deportation on human rights grounds. He claims he will be killed or tortured if he is sent back to his native Egypt, where he has been convicted in his absence of plotting terror attacks.

Well if you are entitled to access to more than one type of benefit like these people, then yeah I suppose a bunch of small sums add up to a large amount. Again, if they were only entitled to disability benefits they would only receive 560 pounds per person per month. But in their case I read they also get child support and council benefits, etc.

As for him getting send back, I suppose he stands a good chance. International law forbids countries from sending back persons if there is a reasonable chance that returning someone will get them hurt or killed.

This thread is about the specific instances of Tunisia and 7/7, if people want to make political points about the laxity of the British benefits system, and whether terrorists deserve what they get, then please start alternative threads.

In the case of this thread as well as others, one has to take into account cause & effect. To do otherwise, is to make the whole issue of memorials meaningless.