Actually, manufacturing jobs increased by 17% since 2008. Automation has helped keep wages low. For me, health care nearly bankrupted me, and some of my friends, who owe over a million dollars. With a single payer health care system, I would pay less than half in taxes that I currently pay in health insurance. That would give me a lot of upward mobility. The US pays I think 2/3 more than any other country, but is rated 27th, and 29th in education. France has the best health care. I have no political affiliation, but as an engineer, I look to the solution that works best, with using the least amount of code (money).

Steve

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Actually, manufacturing jobs increased by 17% since 2008. Automation has helped keep wages low. For me, health care nearly bankrupted me, and some of my friends, who owe over a million dollars. With a single payer health care system, I would pay less than half in taxes that I currently pay in health insurance. That would give me a lot of upward mobility. The US pays I think 2/3 more than any other country, but is rated 27th, and 29th in education. France has the best health care. I have no political affiliation, but as an engineer, I look to the solution that works best, with using the least amount of code (money).

Steve

According to statistics from the OECD statistical database spendings in the world's countries averaged 9.5 percent of its GDP on health care, Sweden is around nine percent. United States, however, which has among the world's most expensive health care costs, spent 17.6 percent of its GDP on health care.

Then I would say we are not getting our money's worth.
Toward the end of September, 8 people came to our company to describe the different insurance plans. All of them were drawing salaries before the doctors received a penny. That just doesn't seem effecient to me.

Steve

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Return of Manufacturing Jobs.

I assume you mean the modern equivalent of Luddites.

Good paying jobs for the Working Class.

Needs a definition of Working Class, many occupations on hourly pay (one definition) require degree level education these days.

Return of Upward Mobility.

Socio-economic mobility in the United States declined suddenly after 1980. When a certain well known Republican President from Hollywood started his term.

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Socio-economic mobility in the United States declined suddenly after 1980. When a certain well known Republican President from Hollywood started his term.

WK I have long vehemently agreed.

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Cher président élu Trump. Je suis un immigrant canadien-français illégal du Canada. Veuillez m'enlever. Je m'appelle *** ***. (Waving to Donald Trump, the NSA and Julian Assange.)

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Then I would say we are not getting our money's worth.
Toward the end of September, 8 people came to our company to describe the different insurance plans. All of them were drawing salaries before the doctors received a penny. That just doesn't seem effecient to me.

Steve

Of course. Insurance is not efficient from the insured's point of view. That is the trade off for not having you own personal wad of cash available to draw from when the need arises.

Look at it this way, you are taking out a loan to pay for medical costs but are doing so before you know what the total will be. In the mean time the lender (insurance company) has its overhead bills to pay, so your rate must be higher than what your costs will be. The Middlemen and the Tax Man must get their cut and in advance.

It isn't single payer where just the expense can be collected and a small amount for administrative.

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5 different people... 9 posts in a row...*

And I agree with (pretty much) every single one of them!

Am I in the right place? :P

*starting with Steve @1830606

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One of my friends worked as a psychiatrist (in bold to remind everyone these people go to med school and are not to be confused with "quacks") in Sweden, and one of my best friends is also a psychiatrist in London who has worked a few years for the NHS (but then mostly for private funds/institutions/hospitals).

Steve and his friends get to go bankrupt while Canada and most of Europe get the best (most professional and ironically most efficient) health care in the world.

The US is essentially spending anywhere from 5-7% of GDP subsidizing... Big Pharma! And that's just one of a few reasons betreger and I keep calling this pickle an "oligarchy". Because technically that's what it is.

It's how Putin & his mates run a country.

I've said before, "Bernie - poor guy - has explained this a zillion times" (in contrast to Bill&Hillary who would rather privatize... Social Security!).

US citizens are caught between a rock and a hard place. Point out the obvious and you're a "socialist", don't and there's a good chance you end up bankrupt.

At some point I'm hoping the majority of voters will understand that military, roads, post office, water, health care, and at minimum a TV station need to all be "socialized" in order to cost them LESS.

4 out of 6 pretty much are.

And so is NASA (thank f* for that! For now...)

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Wish I could still sit next to Clemens' study. Gilded Age 3 coming.

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As agreed in advance by both sides, Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with US President-elect Donald Trump.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53255
Go Vova:)

Ask the care takers of Medicaid what just happened to the money they were stewards of!

Right wing patent lawyers. Or was it the increase in longevity and right wing Norquist pledges that won't allow actuarial rates to change to match reality?

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Did Trump just kill the TPP?

Edit: OMG he did! And he's not even sworn in!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/tpp-trade-deal-trump-obama-trip/index.html

The 3 things I wanted from any next administration were Trade Deals that make sense or none at all, reversing Citizens United, and having the guts to b*slap Wall Street by fixing everything the Clintons broke when they gutted FDR's shock absorbers, and then hopefully add a few more.

1 down, 2 to go.

Mr. Kittyman, I will happily eat 1/3 of my hat now! :)

Did Trump just kill the TPP?

Edit: OMG he did! And he's not even sworn in!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/tpp-trade-deal-trump-obama-trip/index.html

Better learn Mandarin. The Chinese are going to take the Pacific now that there is no opposition and it won't be long before they invade the west coast and demand all their cash back from the Fed and crash the US economy to put us out of the military business for good.

b*slap Wall Street by fixing everything the Clintons broke when they gutted FDR's shock absorbers,

FDR? He is going to go FDR on America?! How left democrat is that? Can't even be called a RINO if you go with FDR policies, that is pure undiluted democrat.

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Better learn Mandarin. The Chinese are going to take the Pacific now that there is no opposition and it won't be long before they invade the west coast and demand all their cash back from the Fed and crash the US economy to put us out of the military business for good.

Methinks being a sovereign state precludes that.

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On seeing the don on his 1st visit to the White House to me he looked like a school boy knowing he was about to be hauled over the coals for being a naughty boy, but someone else saw things a little differently.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/dont-worry-donald-trump-seems-pretty-miserable-about-the-election-result-too/news-story/aa87e3b4a7206bd76f3d6a7705dcb2b1

And what's with the colouring books, Play-Doh and therapy dogs for school and college students?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/has-the-world-gone-mad-schools-bring-in-therapy-dogs-and-play-doh-for-college-kids-traumatised-by-donald-trump-win/news-story/91648dd0fc4a849337e8ec92c8dbaf9b

Now that is stupidity in the extreme. :-O

Cheers.

The longer this thread goes on the crazier it gets. I think it is time to lock it up and throw away the key.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.