You assume they are Hillary supporters. Show your evidence!

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Swedish state televison SVT are sending all US presidantal candidates speaches
live this weekend!
Trump has just landed in Delaware with his Trump jet after his Florida speech.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/usa-valet/trump-talar-i-delaware

Swedish state televison SVT are sending all US presidantal candidates speaches
live this weekend!
Trump has just landed in Delaware with his Trump jet after his Florida speech.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/usa-valet/trump-talar-i-delaware

My DEEPEST condolences to the People of Sweden.......

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Swedish state televison SVT are sending all US presidantal candidates speaches
live this weekend!
Trump has just landed in Delaware with his Trump jet after his Florida speech.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/usa-valet/trump-talar-i-delaware

My DEEPEST condolences to the People of Sweden.......

Well, I guess to most of us this campaigne is more like entertainment.
And that many of us wonder how the american people have to vote between candidates that most americans dont wont to be a president.

Kitties for Trump.

Just sayin'...........

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

We have hope, as long as anybody can recite these few words.
56 men.


We, the people.................

Trump can.
Hillary does not have a clue what they mean.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

44 of them where judges and lawyers.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And Hillary's profession is?

44 of them where judges and lawyers.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And Hillary's profession is?

A Tory Lawyer.

Tory Lawyer? British or Canadian?
Whatever. Lawyers can't be trust.
J Cheever Loophole comes to mind?

I would have guessed an 'Ambulance Chaser' or Liability Litigator seeking fat percentages on outrageous settlements from companies in fear for their existence.......kinda like the majority of the current infestation in the Halls of Congress, Justice and the White House.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

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Trump already has one "Faithless Elector" vote.
ABC news - What If? A Look at the Electoral College, Rogue Electors

STATE LAWS VARY

Twenty-one states don't require their electors to go along with the popular vote, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The 29 states that require faithfulness from their electors can impose a variety of punishments, including fines.

One elector has already said he won't vote for Clinton, despite a fine. Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington's Puyallup Tribe, says he believes Clinton is a "criminal" who doesn't care enough about American Indians and "she's done nothing but flip back and forth."

Satiacum faces a $1,000 fine in Washington if he doesn't vote for Clinton, but he said he doesn't care.

"She will not get my vote, period," he told The Associated Press.

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I would have guessed an 'Ambulance Chaser' or Liability Litigator seeking fat percentages on outrageous settlements from companies in fear for their existence.......kinda like the majority of the current infestation in the Halls of Congress, Justice and the White House.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

I feel your desire for change, but is Trump the way to do it?

Your desire is to get the establishment out and the people in. But the establishment is predominately the rich, and Trump has been in that circle all his life. So how will he be a change, and if not a criminal in the eyes of the law he is very immoral, and wouldn't even blink as he squeezes out the last dime in your pocket, just to make himself and his cronies richer.

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I rarely post in Politics. All I can say to "rationalize" this post is that Eric is at a Cal football game right now (Go Bears!) and I am home self-medicating a cold with several glasses of a nice, crisp Pinot Grigio.

Anyway...

I had the radio on in the car the other day and I heard somebody describe Trump voters as "down-wardly mobile".

It was a phrase that made me go "hmmmmmmm".

Living happily in the liberal bubble, I have to admit that I do not know a whole lot of Trump voters personally. I grew up in a conservative household, but I am pleased and proud to report that many of my Republican relatives are NOT voting for Trump.

If the polls are to be believed though, the term "down-wardly mobile" does make sense. Most polls of likely voters report that probable Trump voters tend to be white males without college degrees, and presumably their family members. Without an investment in higher education, these voters are more likely to have jobs that do not pay well. Or if their jobs involve a skill and actually pay decently (like the absolutely lovely, hard working husband of one of my nieces - he works as a machinist for a paper company in Wisconsin), then those people are probably victims of managerial over-time abuse and their wages, while perhaps relatively good for their geographic area, still lose ground, slowly but steadily, to rises in the cost of living.

Given this, these voters probably DO remember a "great" America in which middle class families could live on a single income (generally dear old dad's) and one parent (mommy dearest) was home to invest time, effort and energy into quality child care and home-making.

(Homemaking and quality child rearing by invested family members are both highly undervalued in our culture, which is a damn shame, but a topic for another thread. Anyway...)

A progressive platform generally involves the following oldies but goodies:

the concept (brace yourselves, non-Canadians and non-Europeans!!!) that healthcare is a right and not a privilege

corporate reform and regulation

doctrine driven by science, not special interests

net neutrality

raising the minimum wage and establishing living wages

higher education without the burden of crushing debt

protection of such "socialista" programs such as Social Security, Medicare and pensions

strengthening of unions, so that workers are treated as human resources instead of exploitable, expendable cogs in a wheel


So here is the question I feel compelled to ask Trump voters:

Why aren't you all raging progressives?

Progressive tenets would clearly help you, and they might even "make America great again."

Why are "dowardly mobile" Trump supporters voting against their own self interests?

YOUR taxes aren't going to go up to pay for all of this... MINE are. And I am voting for Hilary.

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Damm it Angela you are lucid, that's what being educated can do to you.

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Damm it Angela you are lucid, that's what being educated can do to you.

How do you know it isn't the wine?

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Trump already has one "Faithless Elector" vote.
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Why do you assume Robert Sataicum will vote for Trump??
Satatiacum was a Bernie Sanders supporter and said he feels that neither Clinton nor Republican Donald Trump can lead the country.
A sentiment that I happen to agree with.
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the electors are required to vote for a particular candidate.
It is only certain states that have decided to impose a fine for not voting for the popular winner of that state, (except in Maine or Nebraska).
What may bring him around is being sanctioned by a higher power.
Puyallup Tribal Council issued a statement saying that he had pledged to support the winner of the state's popular vote Nov. 8 and "risks dishonoring himself".

Angela, with all due respect, I'm not a progressive because of what those policies have done to inner city America. Detroit, Baltimore and more. Controlled by 'progressive' policies that have not improved their residents situation in 50 years.

Time for a real change, not a promise that's a lie meant to enrich just one family.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Trump already has one "Faithless Elector" vote.
....

Why do you assume Robert Sataicum will vote for Trump??
Satatiacum was a Bernie Sanders supporter and said he feels that neither Clinton nor Republican Donald Trump can lead the country.
A sentiment that I happen to agree with.
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the electors are required to vote for a particular candidate.
It is only certain states that have decided to impose a fine for not voting for the popular winner of that state, (except in Maine or Nebraska).
What may bring him around is being sanctioned by a higher power.
Puyallup Tribal Council issued a statement saying that he had pledged to support the winner of the state's popular vote Nov. 8 and "risks dishonoring himself".

I only brought you a story reported in several places within the press.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

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No shots were fired. If you had not made the opening statement, I would not have responded after reading more about it. But I learned more and thus pointed my rifle upward.

edit:
another source also says:
"Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote."
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hes-a-state-democratic-elector-but-robert-satiacum-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton/

Angela, with all due respect, I'm not a progressive because of what those policies have done to inner city America. Detroit, Baltimore and more. Controlled by 'progressive' policies that have not improved their residents situation in 50 years.

Time for a real change, not a promise that's a lie meant to enrich just one family.

JaundicedEye, please know that the respect is mutual.

The last time we had a Progressive Government, FDR was spending us out of a depression (...and ramping up a war effort.)

Urban decay has many causes, racial discrimination being the primary cause. To blame "progressive politics" for urban decay seems a bit simplistic to me, especially since President Obama (who I support and think has done a very good job, given the economy he inherited and the number of global crises facing all of us), did not deliver unto me, upon a silver platter, my much desired socialist utopia.

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Angela, with all due respect, I'm not a progressive because of what those policies have done to inner city America. Detroit, Baltimore and more. Controlled by 'progressive' policies that have not improved their residents situation in 50 years.

Time for a real change, not a promise that's a lie meant to enrich just one family.

JaundicedEye, please know that the respect is mutual.

The last time we had a Progressive Government, FDR was spending us out of a depression (...and ramping up a war effort.)

Urban decay has many causes, racial discrimination being the primary cause. To blame "progressive politics" for urban decay seems a bit simplistic to me, especially since President Obama (who I support and think has done a very good job, given the economy he inherited and the number of global crises facing all of us), did not deliver unto me, upon a silver platter, my much desired socialist utopia.

..And don't forget the damage done by the 'War on Drugs'.

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