The electoral reaction happening at the polls is due to three irrefutable facts.

Fact 1 The system has been rigged for over a century to insure the rich get richer.

Fact 2 In order to perpetuate the rigged system of wealth, those in power have made sure the very poor get free stuff.

Fact 3 To pay for the free stuff the poor receive to prevent them from rioting, the working wage Americans get the bill.

The Trump movement is about believing that upsetting that apple cart by 'draining the corrupt swamp' that is Big Government will change things for the better for everyone. Instead of giving the poor free stuff, Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training. This country needs Welders, Mechanics, HVAC Techs, Plumbers, Electricians, Stone and Brick Masons and those who are trained and skilled in those professions are capable of earning as much as Doctors and Lawyers without the liability factor.

Wikileaks points out each day that Hiliary and Bubba have profited from that corruption and the proof is the Clintons don't deny the emails are true, they just discredit the source as Russian meddling.

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Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training.

That sounds good and I also believe in the Easter Bunny.

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Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training.

That sounds good and I also believe in the Easter Bunny.

It is so sad when otherwise intelligent people reject proposed solutions out of hand. It proves that Dogma is a very powerful drug.

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Why the Stupid and Ignorant Left, believes in their Superiority to the Stupid and Ignorant Right.

Did a bit drop off here, Clyde?

Is a question for the ages.

I'm only asking because I found this under the rug in the corner:

And vice versa, when the towering stupidity is concentrated in the middle.

;)

There may have been a few full stops too but I'm not sure where they go ;)

Oh, and I didn't say hello. My apologies :)

I'm left

Me too!!

Oh... you hadn't finished...

...to think everyone, including the moderators has just been insulted.

I think you're right, Gary ;)

I know I don't post here much anymore, people, but it doesn't mean I don't pop in and read some of the threads from time to time when I can't sleep. This one has sent my eyes into boggle mode on more than one occasion *pause for brief demonstration*

Fortunately my jaw resting on the keyboard has tended to interfere with me posting, and that's probably a very good thing ;)

edited for a missing comma and name

and again to make this bit small

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oh...and did we say we like humans too? Well we do :)

Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training.

That sounds good and I also believe in the Easter Bunny.

It is so sad when otherwise intelligent people reject proposed solutions out of hand. It proves that Dogma is a very powerful drug.

No Trump has for decades a legacy of dishonesty, theft and breaking laws, why should I trust him now?

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anniet...

Read my latest post to understand.

Ok :) I will. I see there's been quite a few whilst I was being interrupted writing mine!

BTW: Are you and Gary accusing the Mod's?

Perhaps you could you define how/where exactly, before I answer?

edit: re my previous post, I just thought it would be nice if we ALL felt insulted for once :) I hope no one minds...?

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oh...and did we say we like humans too? Well we do :)

Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training.

That sounds good and I also believe in the Easter Bunny.

It is so sad when otherwise intelligent people reject proposed solutions out of hand. It proves that Dogma is a very powerful drug.

No not rejected out of hand.
We realise the time and effort going through Trumps sketchy plans to show you how they are ill conceived and only serve to make himself even richer and do virtually nothing to help the poor effectively.

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The electoral reaction happening at the polls is due to three irrefutable facts.

Fact 1 The system has been rigged for over a century to insure the rich get richer.

Fact 2 In order to perpetuate the rigged system of wealth, those in power have made sure the very poor get free stuff.

Fact 3 To pay for the free stuff the poor receive to prevent them from rioting, the working wage Americans get the bill.

The Trump movement is about believing that upsetting that apple cart by 'draining the corrupt swamp' that is Big Government will change things for the better for everyone. Instead of giving the poor free stuff, Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training. This country needs Welders, Mechanics, HVAC Techs, Plumbers, Electricians, Stone and Brick Masons and those who are trained and skilled in those professions are capable of earning as much as Doctors and Lawyers without the liability factor.

Wikileaks points out each day that Hiliary and Bubba have profited from that corruption and the proof is the Clintons don't deny the emails are true, they just discredit the source as Russian meddling.

Maybe that's what a lot of his supporters want. (So do I!)
Do we think that what Trump wants? Or, that if that's what he wants, he's the one that can do it? Pretty much, no.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

The 'Left" rejects all the thoughtful good points, like fiscal responsibility, that the "Right" proposes because they don't like a part of what the "Right" also believes.
The "Right" rejects everything the "Left" says it stands for, like social responsibility because there is an item they don't like that the "Left" also believes.

That, my friends, is thoughtless stupidity. To lump every point those you oppose into a package, may make you feel better but it doesn't make you look rational or even thoughtful.

I'm pretty sick of the silly position that everything is either "Left" or "Right", black or white, and all or nothing politics.
Stop being led around by your dogma and do a little critical thinking for a change. Let's build a better world instead. Stop the irrational rejection of good points and good ideas just because someone that proposes them also believes something you don't agree with. Please.

The electoral reaction happening at the polls is due to three irrefutable facts.

Fact 1 The system has been rigged for over a century to insure the rich get richer.

Fact 2 In order to perpetuate the rigged system of wealth, those in power have made sure the very poor get free stuff.

Fact 3 To pay for the free stuff the poor receive to prevent them from rioting, the working wage Americans get the bill.

The Trump movement is about believing that upsetting that apple cart by 'draining the corrupt swamp' that is Big Government will change things for the better for everyone. Instead of giving the poor free stuff, Trumps economic plans give them a chance to move into middle and even upper class incomes through job training. This country needs Welders, Mechanics, HVAC Techs, Plumbers, Electricians, Stone and Brick Masons and those who are trained and skilled in those professions are capable of earning as much as Doctors and Lawyers without the liability factor.

Wikileaks points out each day that Hiliary and Bubba have profited from that corruption and the proof is the Clintons don't deny the emails are true, they just discredit the source as Russian meddling.

Maybe that's what a lot of his supporters want. (So do I!)
Do we think that what Trump wants? Or, that if that's what he wants, he's the one that can do it? Pretty much, no.

See Fact 1?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Do we think that what Trump wants? Or, that if that's what he wants, he's the one that can do it? Pretty much, no.

Maybe not, but I'm sure Hiliary will give lip service and lies. Why not try something different? There's a reason the GOP Establishment fears Trump as much as the Democrats......

Stop the irrational rejection of good points and good ideas just because someone that proposes them also believes something you don't agree with. Please.

My point exactly. Compromise or 'the Art of the Deal' has been lost in Government, starting in the 2nd Bubba term. And has grown to stone wall proportions in the last 7 1/2 years.

The USA was not built by intractable positions.

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Do we think that what Trump wants? Or, that if that's what he wants, he's the one that can do it? Pretty much, no.

Maybe not, but I'm sure Hiliary will give lip service and lies. Why not try something different? There's a reason the GOP Establishment fears Trump as much as the Democrats......

Stop the irrational rejection of good points and good ideas just because someone that proposes them also believes something you don't agree with. Please.

My point exactly. Compromise or 'the Art of the Deal' has been lost in Government, starting in the 2nd Bubba term. And has grown to stone wall proportions in the last 7 1/2 years.

The USA was not built by intractable positions.

"Try something different"? I'd vote for you before I'd vote for Trump.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Do we think that what Trump wants? Or, that if that's what he wants, he's the one that can do it? Pretty much, no.

Maybe not, but I'm sure Hiliary will give lip service and lies. Why not try something different? There's a reason the GOP Establishment fears Trump as much as the Democrats......

Could it be that both parties subscribe to the notion of asking the electorate to decide, and Drumpf appears to feel this is unnecessary:

Drumpf wrote:

And just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right? What are we even having it for? What are we having it for?

(source)

[ETA]
and if you don't like politico as a source, here's a tweet with video:
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/791758309787332608/video/1
[/ETA]

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

anniet...

I posted:

The Left 'Attackers' cannot acknowledge, or have an inability to understand they are just as Stupid and Ignorant, as those Trump Supporters they attack.

Why the Stupid and Ignorant Left, believes in their Superiority to the Stupid and Ignorant Right.

Gary responded:

I'm left to think everyone, including the moderators has just been insulted.

Do you really believe The Mod's are either Left or Right Wing Ideologues?

FULL STOP! Your original, which you just quoted, never suggested you had a limitation of "Ideologues" on your thought.

Gary apparently believes they are, and I "insulted" them.

Note: That charge is very serious.

Reasonable interpretation that some are left and some are right, as your original did not limit your insult to only "Ideologues", you obviously included them and essentially everyone on the planet.
<ed>as I suspect you intended to stir the pot

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Fact 1 The system has been rigged for over a century to insure the rich get richer.

Century?! ROTFLMAO Try since the invention of money! and it may go back much farther to the invention of government.

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Oh my! I'm really far behind!

I'm left to think everyone, including the moderators has just been insulted.

Gary...

The Left has continually insulted The Right and Trump Supporters.

And that is allowed.

I am just pointing out this truth: Both The Left, and their Cousins, The Right. Are the same.

If nothing else, this thread has proved that people are offended (to differing degrees) by different things. It's actually what makes us all unique, not the same :) When we divide along party lines, there's some homogenising of course, but even still, those we align with will often be with us for different reasons to our own.

*rotate eyes round thread* Yes I know that was addressed to Gary, people, but this is the problem with me getting opinionated all of a sudden... it's difficult to know when to stop

Watching and Listening to Ideologues. Let's say Right Wing and Left Wing Ideologues. Arguing and calling each other names, and sometimes killing each other. Because each believes it has The Truth. And the other is (fill-in the negatives).

To any Non-Believer: Both are really the same. And both are...

Understand?

There are a lot of reasons why people vote one way or the other. Personal circumstances, upbringing, education, life events. I don't think stupidity has anything to do with any of that. Yes, we are and can be manipulated into going down paths that might not have occurred to us to do, even to the point we'll compromise our principles for the sake of something that appeals to one more than others, but again, that's not stupidity. People have busy lives and it's easier to believe than to question, particularly if we're going to find some of the answers challenge our preconceptions. Add in the promises made (that may or not be kept) and we're bought, even if just for awhile.

I'm finding it very hard knowing what to believe about almost every major news story being carried on all the news channels at the moment, because I don't have the time to follow paper trails like I used to. It leaves me uneasy commenting, which is why I've been doing more eye-listening than keyboard-chatting in here.

What worries me is the way we allow ourselves to get so divided :/ we do it in the UK too :( We all have to find a way to live with each other, not in vaunted office space and mansions, but at street level afterwards, or we're the ones that get hurt.

Does the fact the left insult the right, the right insult the left, and the centre insult both, account for the difficulty centre parties have in getting to power...? Perhaps it's naive of me to think that those aligned in the centre ground, would be better at bringing people together than that. That was really my point.

Now :) to my question from you! :)

anniet...

I posted:



The Left 'Attackers' cannot acknowledge, or have an inability to understand they are just as Stupid and Ignorant, as those Trump Supporters they attack.

Why the Stupid and Ignorant Left, believes in their Superiority to the Stupid and Ignorant Right.

Gary responded:

I'm left to think everyone, including the moderators has just been insulted.

Do you really believe The Mod's are either Left or Right Wing Ideologues?

Oh. Was that the question? I was actually thinking along the lines that probably a majority of them would be insulted, unless they were all middle of the road like yourself, which to be honest... didn't occur to me until now...

Gary apparently believes they are, and I "insulted" them.

So what are "stupid" and "ignorant"? Compliments...? :/ Or empathy...? ;)

Note: That charge is very serious

Is it? I'd best apologise then.

*ahem to moderators everywhere* I'm sorry for making you read all that, people...

specially as I think I'm still behind in reponses... :)

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I see that some here is still trying to defend their ignorant stupidity. :-(

And still failing very badly as usual. ;-)

Cheers.

trying to defend their ignorant stupidity. :

Thanks for trying to rise above personal insults Wiggo, I guess I expected more from you not less....

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I'm also ready to see Trump win in a land slide like Renaldo Magnus did in 1980 even though all the polls back then said he was losing by double digits also.

Somebody else made that claim recently, shame history does not support it.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...