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Message 1824345 - Posted: 14 Oct 2016, 23:57:24 UTC

WTH? I finally get a chance to post and nothing from anybody else in an hour? Did you all take on new employment?
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Message 1824346 - Posted: 14 Oct 2016, 23:59:23 UTC - in response to Message 1824061.  

The 2nd... fights sexism by being sexist.
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I call BS on the 2nd-wave radical feminists.

When was the date of your sex reassignment surgery?

Or cease telling other humans what they are supposed to feel.


My statement is not a feeling, but a fact.


To misquote Mrs. Mary Cooper, also a Texan, "And that's how you feel about it."
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Message 1824355 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 0:20:20 UTC

A lot of people seem to get mindsets very early with political selections, and I don't think Trump could do anything to hurt his base. Same with Hillary. The problem is of course, there are some voters Trump's going to lose because of the sexual misconduct allegations, and the race is close enough he'll use that to his grave as swaying enough people against him to cause him to lose.

I imagine most people have heard the alleged Trump victims say they were afraid to come forward any earlier, and psychologists support that. I agree the timing of the Billy Bush bus tape release was awfully suspicious, but if it triggered some women to come out with their stories, then so be it. Emotions about this stuff are hard to deal with, and nobody should negatively judge people for keeping it private so long until now.

The prevailing sentiment on the part of Trump's base of support seems to be complete denial of the validity of any sexually abusive allegations, and full steam ahead. Even if any allegations have a shred of truth in them, the implication I'm feeling is it doesn't matter. Electing Trump to President is more important. I just don't agree with that.
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Message 1824362 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 0:36:27 UTC - in response to Message 1824359.  

At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.



Well, good for him, but look at it this way: If you or I were running for political office, do you think completely fabricated sexual misconduct allegations would be made against us? I don't think so. I think the opposing party would find some legitimate skeleton in our closets to rattle. These sexual misconduct allegations against Trump have real bones(pardon the pun). I just can't dismiss it and say it's better to overlook it, and get him in the White House than Hillary.
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Message 1824369 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 0:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1824342.  

Fact of the matter is all of the sniping is just cover for lack of honest, workable plan to correct past mistakes.

60% of the voters are wrong to blindly support the Authoritarian Liberals and Authoritarian Conservatives.

40% are bright enough or honest enough to realize the other 60% are full of crap and are willing to lie and believe lies in order to gain the power to tell everyone else how to live and what to do.
Further the 60% are blithely willing to destroy their own country and their children's future for their own selfish satisfaction of wielding political power.

100% of us loose thanks to the unending sniping and bickering of the 60%.


Sorry, I'm lose-ing track as to where you came up with those percents.



My info is 2 years old. I'm assuming similar numbers are current.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx
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Message 1824372 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 0:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1824345.  

WTH? I finally get a chance to post and nothing from anybody else in an hour? Did you all take on new employment?

Don't know about you, but on the left coast it is commute time and then weekend!
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Message 1824373 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 0:53:21 UTC - in response to Message 1824359.  
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A lot of people seem to get mindsets very early with political selections, and I don't think Trump could do anything to hurt his base. Same with Hillary. The problem is of course, there are some voters Trump's going to lose because of the sexual misconduct allegations, and the race is close enough he'll use that to his grave as swaying enough people against him to cause him to lose.

Gordon... There doesn't appear to be a negative reaction by Voters. Regarding the 24/7 Negative News Coverage of Trump.

At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Trump with 43% support to Clinton’s 41%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct14

As the Rasmussen Reports Poll has a known bias of 2 or 3% then I would read that, at best for Trump, a tie. And except for the LA times Poll, where the bias towards Trump has been explained. No other National Poll gives anything like a tie. Some even give Clinton a double digit lead.

But as has been said many times, it is not about the popular vote, looking at the polls in each state gives a better indication of where the election is going.
At the moment most of the States usually listed as the Swing States, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Arizona and Nevada all seem to be in Clinton's hands or very nearly.

Even States like Texas are getting pretty close. Survey USA only gave it to Trump by 4% on Friday. We usually see Texas in double digits for the GOP.
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Message 1824377 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 1:03:57 UTC - in response to Message 1824362.  

At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.



Well, good for him, but look at it this way: If you or I were running for political office, do you think completely fabricated sexual misconduct allegations would be made against us? I don't think so. I think the opposing party would find some legitimate skeleton in our closets to rattle. These sexual misconduct allegations against Trump have real bones(pardon the pun). I just can't dismiss it and say it's better to overlook it, and get him in the White House than Hillary.

I just had an interesting thought. Weren't some of Trump's Miss Teen USA pageants in Las Vegas? Isn't the next debate in Las Vegas? Wonder what the statute of limitations is on peeping tom perverts who walk into dressing rooms full of unclothed minors? Wonder if any of them has been in contact with Las Vegas Metro PD? Might make for a very interesting debate to see him frog marched off the stage in matching chrome steel bracelets!
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Message 1824382 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 1:20:17 UTC - in response to Message 1824377.  

At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.



Well, good for him, but look at it this way: If you or I were running for political office, do you think completely fabricated sexual misconduct allegations would be made against us? I don't think so. I think the opposing party would find some legitimate skeleton in our closets to rattle. These sexual misconduct allegations against Trump have real bones(pardon the pun). I just can't dismiss it and say it's better to overlook it, and get him in the White House than Hillary.

I just had an interesting thought. Weren't some of Trump's Miss Teen USA pageants in Las Vegas? Isn't the next debate in Las Vegas? Wonder what the statute of limitations is on peeping tom perverts who walk into dressing rooms full of unclothed minors? Wonder if any of them has been in contact with Las Vegas Metro PD? Might make for a very interesting debate to see him frog marched off the stage in matching chrome steel bracelets!

If Miss Teen USA was a minor then there might not be a statute of limitation or repose.
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Message 1824386 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 1:42:44 UTC - in response to Message 1824382.  


If Miss Teen USA was a minor then there might not be a statute of limitation or repose.


Well, since contestants are required to be between 14 and 19 years old on Jan. 1 of the year that they compete (among several other requirements), it would be somewhat safe to assume that some of them were minors (< 18) on the date of the contest event, therefore legally unable to give consent to a host of things, among them being peeped at when in a state of undress.

Of course, can anyone examine the legalese in the contestant contract the parents of those that were minors HAD to sign? (I vaguely remember one my Parents signed so my sister could compete in a Miss Teen Texas pageant that one time many years ago...). There might have been a warning to the parents that something of that sort might occur.
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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1824392 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 2:28:41 UTC - in response to Message 1824386.  

As the US also uses common law, which includes "loco parentis" [in place of the parent(s)]. Would this not apply or has the law changed in the US.
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Message 1824409 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 5:15:57 UTC

Give It Up Haters. You've Been Royally Trumped.

There will Be Gold Toilets in Da WH. Get Used to It.

Oval Office will be Renamed Oval Orifice. Lincoln Bedroom will Be Honest Abe's Love Shack. Repainted GROPER Green.

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Message 1824432 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 12:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1824431.  

Well, hurry up Jan 2017. The world will have plans in place to deal with whoever won.

If Trump, all female politicians will be wearing chain-mail, if Clinton, they will be providing her with throwaway e-mail addy's :-)
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Message 1824434 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 13:00:55 UTC - in response to Message 1823776.  

My guess is many of the Republicans that are also on the ticket are going to have to withdraw their support for Trump and put out ads asking with instructions on how to split their votes. Or else the Senate will swing to the Democrats as well, the polls prior to this latest, suggest the Senate race is already on a knife edge.


This, as I have said here before likely was Trump's plan all along.


I just can't believe Trump's candidacy has been a conspiracy to get Hillary elected.


I can.
But he played the racism and xenophobia part far better than expected. He must've studied the opposition very closely for years to emulate them so closely.

Well, Drumpf has been picking up tips from Alex Jones, which probably helped with the "emulation".

“I just want to finish by saying that your reputation is amazing – I will not let you down –”, Trump told Jones in the interview.

“A year into office, you’ll be saying ‘wow I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it, and he did a great job’ – you’ll be very proud of our country,” Trump added.

At the end of the interview, Jones said: “Donald Trump I hope you can help un-cripple America”, in reference to Trump’s book “Crippled America”. And he ended by saying “you will be attacked for coming on, we know you know that”.

In his radio show, Alex Jones has accused the US government of being involved in the 9-11, and in the bomb attack in Oklahoma City. He’s also supported the idea that the Moon landings were fake.

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As noted earlier, infowars/Alex Jones appears to be an influence, and now a poll attempts to show how significant that influence is:

-Alex Jones floated the notion this week that Hillary Clinton is actually a demon, and 40% of Trump voters say that they really do think Clinton is a demon to only 42% who dismiss that idea. This measurement pretty clearly shows that 40% of Trump's base is the InfoWars crowd, so they're not going to be too dissuaded by allegations of sexual misconduct.

(source)

Some in this thread have suggested that sexism might be at play in this election, from the same source:

-One thing that gives motivation to 38% of Trump voters in Florida is that they think the country is inherently better off with a man as President, regardless of this year's candidates. It seems safe to say the folks who subscribe to that school of thought are unbothered by the last week of Trump revelations.


Seems to me that there some work to do for whoever wins.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1824470 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 16:06:49 UTC

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-hate-groups-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-racism
An in-depth analysis we conducted of Twitter activity during a week in September shed further light on social-media connections between far-right extremists and the Trump campaign. In consultation with the Southern Poverty Law Center, we compiled a list of hashtags and catchphrases stemming from extremist movements, terms steeped in Holocaust denial, anti-Muslim invective, and other expressions of bigotry and racism. We used Little Bird software to define networks of users deploying each term, and then to identify thousands of "influencers"—the Twitter accounts most followed within each network. We found that the vast majority of these influencers followed Trump in comparison with other leading presidential candidates, including his closest GOP rival, Ted Cruz. (In general, negligible percentages followed Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.) For example, among the influencers using the hashtag #BanIslam, 84 percent followed Trump and 23 percent followed Cruz. Among those using #WhiteGenocide, 65 percent followed Trump and 10 percent followed Cruz. And among those using the neo-Nazi term "holohoax," 44 percent followed Trump and 4 percent followed Cruz.

Trump only follows 41 accounts on Twitter, none among the extremist influencers. But it's a different story with people involved in his campaign: Our analysis of the accounts of more than 200 Trump campaign staffers and surrogates revealed that more than two dozen of them were following five or more of the top extremist influencers.

Following an account on Twitter indicates nothing per se; some users automatically follow anyone back who begins following them. But these Trump staffers and surrogates have been on the receiving end of a stream of inflammatory and hate-filled messages from the influencers they've followed, and in some cases retweeted.

Nancy Mace, Trump's coalitions director for South Carolina, followed 67 extremist influencers in September, including @Rebel_Bill, who regularly posts virulently anti-Semitic riffs and tweeted an image of a transgender woman using a women's bathroom with the words: "Prosecute or lynch." Mace told us by email that who she follows is not an indicator of her awareness level, nor any endorsement. "Folks regularly get followed back for the sheer fact they followed me," she said, pointing out that she followed more than 12,000 people. "I don't pay much attention to it as it's time consuming and a lot of it today is automated." She said she'd never seen the @Rebel_Bill tweets. After we interviewed Mace, the number of people she followed on her Twitter account dropped to just 37. She told us by email in early October that she was no longer Trump's coalitions director in South Carolina, though she did not respond to further questions about when and why she left that position.

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Message 1824477 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 16:29:29 UTC

Group accuses Mike Pence of voter suppression after state police raid registration program in Indiana

Varoga estimates that 45,000 people, most of them African Americans, might not be able to vote on Nov. 8 because their applications were seized during the raid. The group has asked the Justice Department to investigate, and the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, an advocate for voting rights, sent a letter to Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson asking her to take steps to ensure that eligible voters who signed up through the voter registration drive will not be disenfranchised.

Matthew Lloyd, Pence's deputy chief of staff, said the allegations are “false and so absurd they don't deserve any further response.” Pence made reference to the police investigation during a campaign stop in Iowa on Tuesday.


Patriot Majority’s one-minute radio ad opens with a wailing siren and a male announcer referencing the raid: “Indiana state police recently shut down our state’s largest voter registration program. This police raid was under the leadership of Republican Governor Mike Pence. Now 45,000 citizens, almost all African Americans, could lose the right to vote.”

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Message 1824479 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 16:45:02 UTC

Here's an interesting idea...

"Cut her Mic"

...can someone cut Clinton & Trump's Mic?
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Message 1824532 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 20:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 1824479.  

Here's an interesting idea...

"Cut her Mic"

...can someone cut Clinton & Trump's Mic?

Ugh...
From your link:
"In a conversation about sexual harassment a man asks a woman to be silenced for asking a question he doesn't want to answer. He may not have meant to, but Dr Carson gave a perfect, real-time example of exactly the kind of overbearing, condescending attitude a lot of women experience all too often and that the whole Donald Trump scandal has raised as a conversation here."

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Message 1824542 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 20:59:36 UTC

Hmm, a Womble in drag challenges Clinton to a drug test...

...or is it a Pokémon on Wimbledon Common?
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Message 1824566 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 23:56:01 UTC

Signs:

Around the neighborhood there are zero Trump signs. There is one Hillary sign. I'd say there is a lot of disgust as in past years there were dozens of signs.

However there are half a dozen signs for a Republican candidate in a house race, didn't see any for the democrat in that contest.
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