It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.

And if they hate you, and must convert/educate you?

Why can't they also be bigots? Why aren't they responsible for their negatives?

Gary...

Give us a break.

Of the ones that hate you (which means not all Muslims), who says they aren't bigoted too? Gary most certainly didn't say anything of the sort.

CLYDE, why do you always do this? Gary, or anyone, makes a comment that seems to strike a nerve with you, and you suddenly add words to his position, then tell him to give you a break.

It's when you do things like this that make it so difficult to have a decent conversation with you. You've said in the past that you find Gary not worthy of being an intellectual opponent, but you yourself are not showing intelligence when you pull stunts like this.

At the very least, ask if they believe what you're accusing them of first before you go off on them.

OzzFan...

Please stop excusing those who only attack one group for...

Please stop telling others what they think and how they think. Again, before you condemn them, make sure they actually think the way you're stating first.

Does his brain really work like this?!

Trump wrote:

“The attorney general of New York meets with Barack Obama in Syracuse,” Trump said at a rally in Bentonville, Arkansas. “The following day he sues me. What they don’t say is, I believe, fifteen thousand or a lot of money was paid to the attorney general by the law firm in California that is suing me.”

Trump repeated his charge against Obama just moments later. “All of a sudden the attorney general ― his name is Eric Schneiderman, not respected in New York, doing a terrible job, probably is not electable in New York, but who knows ― and he meets with Obama, gets a campaign contribution, I think, I think it’s fifteen thousand dollars, and all of a sudden, he meets with Obama in, I believe, Syracuse, and the following day or two he brings a lawsuit against me.”

Facts wrote:

In 2010, three years before Schneiderman sued Trump, and five years before Trump announced he was running for president, Schneiderman was running for state attorney general in New York. In October 2010, Schneiderman’s campaign received two separate contributions from lawyers at a California law firm, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd. One donation, for $5,000, came from partner Michael Dowd. Another contribution, for $10,000, came from Patrick Daniels, also a partner.

Six months earlier, in April, Robbins Geller Rudman and another California law firm jointly filed a class-action suit in California on behalf of customers who said they’d been defrauded by Trump University. At the time, Trump wasn’t a candidate for president, Schneiderman wasn’t attorney general and Gonzalo Curiel wasn’t the judge in the case. In fact, Curiel wouldn’t be appointed to the federal bench until 2012, two years after Trump’s case got underway in California.

How Trump leapt from these facts all the way to a secret payoff meeting between Schneiderman and Obama is vintage Trump. It’s as if he took all the things that happened over a six-year period, compressed them into one day and poured them into an extremely implausible John Grisham novel.

Revealed in the complaint was that Trump himself had donated $12,500 to Schneiderman’s campaign in 2010, more than either of the lawyers who Trump accused of trying to buy the attorney general.

Around that time, the fall of 2013, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi was deciding whether to follow New York’s lead and bring a case against Trump University. Bondi asked Trump for a contribution: Trump’s charitable arm gave Bondi $25,000, in September, and Bondi dropped the case. She now faces calls for a federal investigation into whether she took an illegal bribe.

I guess you had better do Trumps bidding if you take his bribe money.

Oh, 18 USC 201 and who is going to spend time in a correctional facility? Donald John Drumpf?

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Please stop telling others what they think and how they think. Again, before you condemn them, make sure they actually think the way you're stating first.

OzzFan...

Gary and I go back a long way. Yes, unlike you, I do know what he thinks, and why he posts in the manner he does. And Gary also understands me.

See? There you go again. How do you know I don't know what he thinks? What makes you qualified to add the "unlike you" part of this statement? Do you know what I know? Do you know if I understand how Gary thinks? Unless I've told you, you can't possibly know. From where I'm seeing it, you haven't a clue what he thinks or why he posts in the manner he does. You're very presumptuous in that regard, and you quite pompous in defending your continued behavior. Certainly can't expect you to back down from anyone though, coming from the "mean streets" and all.

But we do respect the rights of other Posters, to feel free to be themselves, and Post in the manner they wish.

Note: Sorry to the other Posters for replying to OzzFan, in the same manner he does to others.

So let me get this straight: you apologize to everyone for posting in the same manner as me. People apologize when they've done something wrong, hence posting like I do is wrong. And you say this immediately after telling everyone you respect the rights of other posters to feel free to be themselves and post in any manner they wish? Why does that respect not extend to me?

Gary, by intimating that the reason for negatives against against a group, is the bigotry by another group. May, in this instance, be incorrect

Gary did no such thing, he suggested it might be easier for Trump to be a bigot than to learn about Muslim history.

Gary wrote:

janneseti wrote:

I wonder if Donald know anything about Muslim history. I seriously doubt that.

It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.

Trump is not a group, he's an individual.

CLYDE, time for you to start reading what people actually say, rather than what you think they are saying.

And if they hate you, and must convert/educate you?

Why can't they also be bigots? Why aren't they responsible for their negatives?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that Trump's antipathy to Muslims is the result of a unwanted effort to convert him to Islam, or to force him to have an education of Islam?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Gary wrote:

janneseti wrote:

I wonder if Donald know anything about Muslim history. I seriously doubt that.

It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.

Trump is not a group, he's an individual.

Actually Trump is a representative for a large group of americans that think immigration is a problem.
It is, but so far I haven't heard anybody in the US that differentiates refugees from immigrants.

Then we have the problem with radical islamists.
“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me,” Mr. Trump said recently.
OK. Then Donald, go to Syria and fix that problem!
The sooner the better.

CLYDE, time for you to start reading what people actually say, rather than what you think they are saying.

+ a lot

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CLYDE, time for you to start reading what people actually say, rather than what you think they are saying.

+ a lot

+ lots more

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CLYDE, time for you to start reading what people actually say, rather than what you think they are saying.

+ a lot

+ lots more

+ mega lots more again.

It must be hard to be as %^&$!@ as a %^&*#. ;-)

Cheers.

It must be hard to be as %^&$!@ as a %^&*#. ;-)

With the amount of practice he has .....

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Gary wrote:

janneseti wrote:

I wonder if Donald know anything about Muslim history. I seriously doubt that.

It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.

Trump is not a group, he's an individual.

Actually Trump is a representative for a large group of americans that think immigration is a problem.

That may well be true; if you had said "I wonder if Donald and those he represents know anything ...", and if Gary's response were the same, then Gary's comment would have been about that group of Americans. As it was Gary's comment can only be taken to refer to Donald as an individual, though CLYDE appeared to think Gary was talking about a group.

Were you stating that you seriously doubt that none of those Americans Trump represents know anything about Muslim history?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Please stop telling others what they think and how they think. Again, before you condemn them, make sure they actually think the way you're stating first.

OzzFan...

Gary and I go back a long way. Yes, unlike you, I do know what he thinks, and why he posts in the manner he does. And Gary also understands me.

We do disagree greatly.

I can see two points on which you likely disagree already, 1) that Gary believes you know how he thinks, and 2) Gary believes he understands you.

You would probably say the same about me (indeed iirc you have previously said that you know how I think). I have no idea how you could possibly know how I think and I certainly don't understand you.

CLYDE, it might be time for you to study some epistemology, as your comments suggest you do not appear to understand the limits of knowledge.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Were you stating that you seriously doubt that none of those Americans Trump represents know anything about Muslim history?

Of course not.
I believe many of Trump's voters are not so ignorant that Trump is.
There are even some muslims that are going to vote for him.
Former Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has praised him for instance:)
But “Not that I’m for Mr. Trump,” he added, “but I like what I’m looking at.”

Then how much do muslim peoples know about their own history?
Or anyone for that matter.

But Trump is going to be the leader of the "Free World".
That's a scary thought.

Hurts, don't it....

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Hurts, don't it....

Only if you listen to country music.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

IE: The Poster (you know who he is). Who has continually attacked Christians. Attack those, who attack Muslims, as Bigots. Then, I asked, why isn't he a 'Bigot' against Christians?

So, you're saying he cannot see the mote in the eyes of some fundametalist Muslims? I think you've missed quite a few of his posts.

BTW, OzzFan was a mod 9 years ago, so he and I go way back. He may go further back with the poster you do not wish to name than you do.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

This started a continuous attack against me. Without answering an important question.

Clyde my attack is not against you but against your illogical condescending manner of putting people down.

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Then why don't you attack democrats (most of whom are felons) for their condescension?

Comrade Guy it is because I am a fellow traveler!

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Hi Bobby, et al.

You guys/gals really cannot understand, nor admit, to the reality of your belief's.

Again with the implicit claim of knowledge you cannot possibly possess. You do not know my beliefs, please stop acting as if you do.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

We know what's going to happen if that felon, hillary, takes the white house next--we're going to get more of the same drop in real income, more of the same increased national debt, more of the same lower labor participation rate, more of the same exporting of jobs, more of the same lying, cheating, stealing and total disregard for the "rule of law."

When Hillary takes office the stock market will begin to climb in value. That will continue until she leaves office. However if Drumpf takes office the stock market will make 1929 look like a good year.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/28/investing/stock-market-democrats-republicans/

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