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Message 1809740 - Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 22:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 1809726.  

I always tell my kids that the easiest part
of smart is getting all the facts! We are not
saying these things out of thin air. Take the
time to ask: "Where is all the money?"
"How much am I worth to the firm that employs me?"
"Why would any leader be so concerned with image,
and not results?" Then read the Prince by Machiavelli.
Boom, there you go!


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Message 1809762 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 0:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1809758.  

I, on the other hand, have on many occasions sworn to protect and defend our constitution.


For whatever it's worth, even in all our disagreements, and in all sincerity, thank you for taking that oath.

This has given me opportunity to reflect on what the constitution means.


This is part of the problem though. You and a few others around here interpret the constitution in a very specific way, and you hold steadfast that there can be no other interpretation. Those of you interpreting the constitution in this way seem to elevate the founding fathers as some sort of god-like individuals that were infallible, and constantly talk about how we've fallen from their original intent. Sound familiar? Perhaps like Christianity itself? It's unsurprising that many conservative Christians take this 'fallen' image, and that's the starting point as to why Trump can sell his snake oil. Additionally...

I guess I'm just old fashioned. I just need to accept the fact that "the rule of law" is an out-dated idea. Times have changed. The constitution is no longer relevant with things like twitter, facebook and "pokemon go" taking over our culture. I just need to go away and die so the new world order can take hold.


Of course the rule of law is not an outdated idea. But yes, things change, and they must because mankind must change. The natural tendency of realizing one's era is gone is to regress back into a rosy view of how things used to be better, and wanting to turn the clock back.

It's kinda sad that people cannot see that this progression is a good thing. Every generation is building for the next, and the things like Facebook, Twitter, and Pokémon Go are thanks to the building blocks and hard work of prior generations. We all helped build this progress. Rather than get annoyed with the younger generation for these things, we should be proud of what we helped build, and what we gave them.

I guess it's just easier to think the sky is falling down, the economy is going to collapse, and the founding fathers are turning in their graves. If someone constantly sells you those ailments, they can sell you the cure. And may forever the subjugation continue.
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Message 1809763 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 0:24:10 UTC - in response to Message 1809758.  

don't care about the U.S


Good sir you are totally wrong about us. We love you, we
admire and cheer for your every accomplishment. I personally
have relatives and many good friends in the republic. You are
family to us! I applaud your not giving up on your country,
so please don't be so quick to give up on us. Please remember
that we foreigners are mothers and fathers as well as you are.



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The easiest part of smart is getting all the facts!


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Message 1809764 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 0:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1808939.  

Hi every one, I've been away, did I miss
anything, is America still there?



LOL!

Me too, past 3 weeks have been a daze, haze and a blur!
In a very, very good way :)

(Scanning through threads now, pretending to catch up on what's going on in the world)
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Message 1809781 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 1:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 1809735.  



Me thinks you have the wrong picture . 4 times bankrupt orders hit on Clinton other charges in the works and you say Clinton is a criminal for having a server for private use and only making a mistake (she never sold secrets to enemy's)

Oh right if you work for the government you are not allowed to have a server for your own private life , mm ok no real freedom them as the government can tell you what to do if you are working for the government ok got it

Off cause where was the secret service in all this as it should be there job to make shore if a politican want's a private Email server that it is set up to be as secure as possible witch it sounds like they did not do . It should not be the government employee's concern to make shore what ever computer they have access to is secure but we wont dwell on there stuff up will we now .

American hypocrisy at it's best
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Message 1809793 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 2:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1809781.  

Me thinks you have the wrong picture . 4 times bankrupt orders hit on Clinton other charges in the works and you say Clinton is a criminal for having a server for private use and only making a mistake (she never sold secrets to enemy's)

Oh right if you work for the government you are not allowed to have a server for your own private life , mm ok no real freedom them as the government can tell you what to do if you are working for the government ok got it

Off cause where was the secret service in all this as it should be there job to make shore if a politican want's a private Email server that it is set up to be as secure as possible witch it sounds like they did not do . It should not be the government employee's concern to make shore what ever computer they have access to is secure but we wont dwell on there stuff up will we now .

American hypocrisy at it's best

Eloquently stated there mate.

GAWD! I can't stop laughing. ;^P

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Message 1809795 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 2:23:34 UTC - in response to Message 1809767.  
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These are his promises. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course it is.
Politicians always give promises (valfläsk) before an election.
But Trump promises very much more than he can deliver.

BTW: Trump is apparently promoting Historical (Pre WWI II) American Isolationism. Both Politically and Economically.

True. When will he speek about the future of NATO for instance?
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Message 1809811 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 4:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1809762.  

I, on the other hand, have on many occasions sworn to protect and defend our constitution.


For whatever it's worth, even in all our disagreements, and in all sincerity, thank you for taking that oath.

This has given me opportunity to reflect on what the constitution means.


This is part of the problem though. You and a few others around here interpret the constitution in a very specific way, and you hold steadfast that there can be no other interpretation. Those of you interpreting the constitution in this way seem to elevate the founding fathers as some sort of god-like individuals that were infallible, and constantly talk about how we've fallen from their original intent. Sound familiar? Perhaps like Christianity itself?

Islam would perhaps fit better, if more people knew anything about it other than blind hate.

I commend you to watch all three parts. http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/the-caliph-islamic-history/index.html You will learn a lot of background information. Things you would need to know to know how to defeat Daesh.

Now as to how to interpret the Constitution, many seem to not know how to read a document. If it does not command you to do something you do not need to do it. If it does not command you not to do something you can do it. In between those is what is permitted. Just because something wasn't customary a long time ago does not mean it is prohibited today.

The bone many who place the founders on a floating pedestal is the fourteenth amendment. Well, guess what?! The founders didn't write it. You can't judge it on the ideas of the founders. Once it passed the founders ideas were wiped away as they were no longer involved.

I get some can't believe it says what it does. They can't believe that 3/4 of the states ratified it. They think it is so totally against the rest of the document it has to be thrown out as if it never existed.

The founders would not. They allowed for it to be changed and even wholesale replaced.

Another bone many have is the commerce clause. True that the founders never could have imagined a world where everything contains something produced from far away. They did their best to write a clause to allow the federal government to be sure that a pound of sugar weighed the same in New Your as in Georgia or that Virginia didn't tax goods from South Carolina differently than local goods. The wrote the clause the best they could. The world changed and so it covers much more that what could happen in the 1780's.

Now as to that Lawyer running for office. It should be obvious that person knows the law so well they bend and twist just in front of it so they are never caught. They are able to skate a fraction of an inch ahead of it and not get cut.

True, you or I would never be able to skate that close. We aren't lawyers. We don't know the size and location of every loophole and pothole. There is a reason law school is so darn expensive.
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Message 1809819 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 5:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 1809811.  


The bone many who place the founders on a floating pedestal is the fourteenth amendment. Well, guess what?! The founders didn't write it. You can't judge it on the ideas of the founders. Once it passed the founders ideas were wiped away as they were no longer involved.

I get some can't believe it says what it does. They can't believe that 3/4 of the states ratified it. They think it is so totally against the rest of the document it has to be thrown out as if it never existed.

The founders would not. They allowed for it to be changed and even wholesale replaced


This is what I have said . even a Australian get what your For fathers where trying to do .

The Constitution is just a set of rules we all agree too and CAN and SHOULD be changed when needed .
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Message 1809860 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 9:25:06 UTC - in response to Message 1809811.  
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I commend you to watch all three parts. http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/the-caliph-islamic-history/index.html You will learn a lot of background information. Things you would need to know to know how to defeat Daesh.

I wonder if Donald know anything about Muslim history. I seriously doubt that.
But surely he must know by now what Daesh are up to now...
Or?
The never-told-before story of the meeting that led to the creation of ISIS, as explained by an Islamic State insider.
Present at the Creation
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/16/present-at-the-creation/
Since its creation, we have learned about the Islamic State from its enemies. Its story has largely been told by those fighting the group in Iraq and Syria, traumatized civilians who have escaped its brutal rule, and the occasional defector. That is about to change. This is the story of Abu Ahmad, a Syrian operative for the Islamic State who witnessed the group’s lightning expansion firsthand and spent months among its most notorious foreign fighters.
In this series of three articles, he provides unique insight into how Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s political scheming paved the way for the Islamic State’s expansion into Syria, al Qaeda’s efforts to stem the group’s rise, and the terrifying weapons in the arsenal of the self-proclaimed “caliphate.”

Daesh's first aim is to create Bilad al-Sham "Greater Syria".
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Message 1809873 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 10:33:33 UTC - in response to Message 1809629.  

Again you didn't reply to what I asked. Too late now, I'm now back home and have studied what he said, and I was right, there were no new substantial proposals. He basically said the current regulations are doing fine.

Which also asks the question "When is he going to leave the US?", He stated that “those who do not believe in our constitution, or who support bigotry and hatred, will not be admitted for immigration into the country” So as a bigot and one who has expressed hatred for other peoples, I assume he will opt for Romney style self deportation

See he has shaken up his advisors again, don't see how getting a retired banker who now runs Breitbart is going to appeal to the people he needs to attract to have any hope.

Still it will probably mean we don't have to suffer the dirges when he reads the tele-prompter.
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Message 1809908 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 13:46:43 UTC - in response to Message 1809713.  

Yes!

As the story goes...
John Lenon went to visit Yoko Ono at her art gallery.
In the middle of the room there was a step ladder which John ascended.
As he got closer to the ceiling he could see a word written there.
And the word was Yes.
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Message 1809921 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 15:21:31 UTC - in response to Message 1809860.  

I commend you to watch all three parts. http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/the-caliph-islamic-history/index.html You will learn a lot of background information. Things you would need to know to know how to defeat Daesh.

I wonder if Donald know anything about Muslim history. I seriously doubt that.

It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.
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Message 1809934 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 16:58:56 UTC

The latest thing circulating concerning the DNC. Please direct all vitriol to the alleged author...ultra liberal Snopes as usual denies, Factcheck.org search shows no results.

The Democrats had to pay actors to fill up seats at their convention and now we learn they paid Khan $350,000.


– Khan was paid $25,000 by the Clinton campaign to speak at the DNC.
– The speech was not written by Mr. Khan, but by two campaign staffers.
– The copy of the US Constitution that Mr. Khan held up was bought only TWO HOURS before his speech by a
female staffer, to be used solely as a prop and Khan returned the book after speaking.
– 5 Gold Star families turned down the opportunity to speak before Khan was contacted by the Clinton campaign.
– All five families were paid $5,000 and signed a non-disclosure.
– Khan’s immigration law firm is in debt $1.7 M and owes back taxes of upward $850,000 plus penalties.
– CNN paid Khan over $100,000 to tell his “story” and repeated interviews across networks.
– Khan was given a bonus of $175 K by the DNC for his effort in the media.
– The IRS has since put Khan’s tax file on a “hold” status.

Dr. Richard (Dick) Murphy
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Jacksonville University
Jacksonville, FL 32211


"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1809937 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 17:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 1809934.  

The latest thing circulating concerning the DNC. Please direct all vitriol to the alleged author...ultra liberal Snopes as usual denies, Factcheck.org search shows no results.

And Justin Bieber turns down a 5 million dollar offer to say nice things about
djt a narcissistic liar, squatting on his gold toilet in the Trump Bunker.

Spin baby, spin.
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Message 1809939 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 17:28:54 UTC - in response to Message 1809934.  

This reminds me of "Swift Boating".
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Message 1809940 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 17:32:51 UTC - in response to Message 1809934.  
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The latest thing circulating concerning the DNC. Please direct all vitriol to the alleged author...ultra liberal Snopes as usual denies, Factcheck.org search shows no results.
Dr. Richard (Dick) Murphy
Associate Professor of Marketing
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Jacksonville University
Jacksonville, FL 32211

At least he exists ... http://www.ju.edu/dcob/FacultyandStaff/Pages/Dr-Richard-Murphy.aspx
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Message 1809941 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 17:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 1809931.  

It is far easier to be a bigot if you know nothing about the people you hate. Every bit of knowledge makes them more human and thus harder to hate.

And if they hate you, and must convert/educate you?

Why can't they also be bigots? Why aren't they responsible for their negatives?

Gary...

Give us a break.


Of the ones that hate you (which means not all Muslims), who says they aren't bigoted too? Gary most certainly didn't say anything of the sort.

CLYDE, why do you always do this? Gary, or anyone, makes a comment that seems to strike a nerve with you, and you suddenly add words to his position, then tell him to give you a break.

It's when you do things like this that make it so difficult to have a decent conversation with you. You've said in the past that you find Gary not worthy of being an intellectual opponent, but you yourself are not showing intelligence when you pull stunts like this.

At the very least, ask if they believe what you're accusing them of first before you go off on them.
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Message 1809942 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 17:37:40 UTC - in response to Message 1809931.  

And if they hate you, and must convert/educate you?

You must be looking in a mirror again.
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