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Message 1806954 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 4:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 1806928.  
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What is wrong with being a socialist?

Can't think of a thing to just being one. Having power on the other hand, well, that applies to all kinds.
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Message 1807041 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 15:30:07 UTC - in response to Message 1807028.  

True Socialism, not 'Safety Nets' for the needy. Will always devolve into nothing more than Crony Capitalism, under a different name

Clyde are you describing Sweden?
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Message 1807049 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 15:46:48 UTC

Implosion?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/4/hillary-clinton-takes-10-point-lead-over-donald-tr/
Hillary Clinton takes 10-point lead over Donald Trump: Fox poll

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Message 1807059 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:24:01 UTC - in response to Message 1807054.  

True Socialism, not 'Safety Nets' for the needy. Will always devolve into nothing more than Crony Capitalism, under a different name

Clyde are you describing Sweden?

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Socialism: The State (Controller's) taking over the Means of Production.

Venezuela is a recent example of what True Socialism must devolve to: Crony Capitalism.

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Did it devolve or was it pushed?

The Other Explanation for Venezuela’s Economic Crisis
"The Chávez and Maduro administrations have attempted this task while facing constant hostility not only from an aggressive internal political opposition that has often resorted to violence, but also from the hemisphere’s hegemon, the United States. Washington, which almost instinctively has been opposed to Chavismo from day one, has consistently interfered in Venezuela’s internal affairs in the hope of crushing the Bolivarian process. From a Bush administration-backed[14] and CIA-aided[15] coup in 2002, in which then-President Chavez was nearly removed from power by force, to refusals to recognize Chavista electoral victories, threats of sanctions, and covert funding for opposition candidates, the United States had been determined to do everything possible to ensure that it would fail. The United States has viciously opposed anything that threatens the dominance of the unfettered neoliberal capitalist vision that it has sought to defend, and then spread, throughout the world. As William Camacaro and COHA Senior Research Fellow Fred Mills wrote early last year in Counterpunch, “A great deal hangs in the balance with regard to the feasibility of advancing a democratic socialist project while under the continuous attack of a U.S.-backed opposition, elements of which are bent on restoring the neoliberal regime."

The problems we are seeing in the world today are products of neo-liberal capitalism. From the problems faced by Europe to the disenfranchised Trump voters.

Socialism isn't the boogy man here.
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Message 1807062 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:28:37 UTC - in response to Message 1807054.  

Venezuela is Marxist, which is beyond socialism. Clyde read Hegel and understand how Marx used his dialectic to explain the evolution from socialism.
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Message 1807063 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:30:12 UTC - in response to Message 1807054.  

Sweden is a Social Welfare State.

Well. Sort of:)
The Nordic model also called Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
Whats differ our model from the US model is that you pay more taxes to healthcare, education and care of the eldery.
There is no party, left or right, in Sweden that opposes this:)
But as always economy is a hindrance.
The budgets for healthcare, education and care of the eldery has for many years been cut down.
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Message 1807066 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:35:18 UTC - in response to Message 1807064.  

Always excuses for Left Wing Total Economic Failures, Destruction of Individual Liberties, etc.

Just as The Left excused Mass Murdering Stalin, Mao, Castro brothers, et al.

If The Left were Ethical and Moral. We should see their mass apologizes, to the over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved by those The Left excused in the last 100 years.

Where are the apologizes?

I will not hold my breath.

Nor will I hold my breath for an apology for the current enslavement, murder and destruction of the environment caused by capitalism.
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Message 1807069 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 1807066.  

Nor will I hold my breath for an apology for the current enslavement, murder and destruction of the environment caused by capitalism.

Do you have a computer? A mobile phone? A Television?
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Message 1807072 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 1807070.  

Always excuses for Left Wing Total Economic Failures, Destruction of Individual Liberties, etc.

Just as The Left excused Mass Murdering Stalin, Mao, Castro brothers, et al.

If The Left were Ethical and Moral. We should see their mass apologizes, to the over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved by those The Left excused in the last 100 years.

Where are the apologizes?

I will not hold my breath.

Nor will I hold my breath for an apology for the current enslavement, murder and destruction of the environment caused by capitalism.

Es99...

As an Anti-Capitalist. I do not, as with The Left, expect an apology.

Es99...

Am I correct in assuming that you hold The Left and The Capitalists, in the same disgust?

I don't make facile sweeping statements about diverse groups. So no.
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Message 1807101 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 19:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 1807099.  

No need to preach to any choir, as stated in the Hilary thread, this takes precedence too many times...

"Oh they'll happen again, it's just human nature. There will always be one that considers themselves one rung higher than everyone else & do things as they see it."
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Message 1807106 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 19:23:52 UTC

First Real Problem regarding his election.

Don't you mean the second. Surely he himself is the first problem. (As viewed by the GOP)
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Message 1807161 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 23:18:00 UTC

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-donald-trump-veterans_us_57a39779e4b021fd9877f8e4
Vets Crash John McCain’s Office, Ask Him To Dump Trump
They delivered 100,000 signatures urging GOP leaders to un-endorse their party’s nominee.

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Message 1807168 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 23:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 1807161.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-donald-trump-veterans_us_57a39779e4b021fd9877f8e4
Vets Crash John McCain’s Office, Ask Him To Dump Trump
They delivered 100,000 signatures urging GOP leaders to un-endorse their party’s nominee.


Mein Fuhrer Trump will never tolerate this once elected. Those people who signed that document will be dealt with accordingly! Un zen, we will have ze peace. Sieg Heil, Trump!
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Message 1807173 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 0:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1806363.  

If Gary Johnson carries one state then he qualifies as a candidate to be chosen from IF the election goes to the House of representatives. Johnson is a former republican and is more popular with many house republicans than Donald Trump. I'm not saying that he would win but under those circumstances it is possible.

Might even be a bit likely as he knows how to politic in the halls of that building. Also both parties could agree to disagree and use him as a total block on the other party. 4 years of nothing at all happening.



Bingo... as long as Johnson can win enough states to put him in the top 3 in the electoral college... likely just 1 State... It IS a possibility (but still kinda remote) for the reason you mentioned.

Sort of a "If WE can't get it... Neither can YOU".

And 4 years of 'not bloody much happening' in Washington D.C. would be a GOOD thing in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1807175 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 0:10:00 UTC - in response to Message 1807168.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-donald-trump-veterans_us_57a39779e4b021fd9877f8e4
Vets Crash John McCain’s Office, Ask Him To Dump Trump
They delivered 100,000 signatures urging GOP leaders to un-endorse their party’s nominee.


Mein Fuhrer Trump will never tolerate this once elected. Those people who signed that document will be dealt with accordingly! Un zen, we will have ze peace. Sieg Heil, Trump!


Heil Trump...

Comrade Clinton...

Not much difference...

For a better world, vote either Johnson (L) or Stein (G)... PLEASE!!! Kick the (D)'s and (R)'s out!
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1807179 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 0:23:08 UTC - in response to Message 1807173.  

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Sort of a "If WE can't get it... Neither can YOU".

And 4 years of 'not bloody much happening' in Washington D.C. would be a GOOD thing in my opinion.

You mean more stuff like this?

Some 9/11 First Responders Slam Donald Trump for Not Backing Their Health Care Funding
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Message 1807188 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 0:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 1807179.  

...
Sort of a "If WE can't get it... Neither can YOU".

And 4 years of 'not bloody much happening' in Washington D.C. would be a GOOD thing in my opinion.

You mean more stuff like this?

Some 9/11 First Responders Slam Donald Trump for Not Backing Their Health Care Funding

Yes, nothing except a congressional pay raise would pass! With the sequester in place ... we might just get the budget under control for the first time since before Vietnam.
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Message 1807191 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 0:59:50 UTC - in response to Message 1807175.  

For a better world, vote either Johnson (L) or Stein (G)... PLEASE!!! Kick the (D)'s and (R)'s out!


Um.. not Stein. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who is anti-science. I wouldn't have voted for Cruz for the same reason.
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Message 1807192 - Posted: 5 Aug 2016, 1:00:53 UTC

Imploding and losing his core support ...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article93763582.html
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has surged to a 15-point lead over reeling, gaffe-plagued Republican Donald Trump, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

Clinton made strong gains with two constituencies crucial to a Republican victory – whites and men – while scoring important gains among fellow Democrats, the poll found.

Clinton not only went up, but Trump also went down. Clinton now has a 48-33 percent lead, a huge turnaround from her narrow 42-39 advantage last month.

The findings are particularly significant because the poll was taken after both political conventions ended and as Trump engaged in a war of words with the parents of Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed in an explosion in Iraq 12 years ago while trying to rescue other soldiers.

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