ChattyCharp said:

Remember David Duke endorsed and Drumpf had to be told repeatedly over several days to denounce!

TOLD

Hay Chatty. You Like to be TOLD what to say and do?

Bill of Wrongs #1: All Peoples, are TO BE TOLD what to DO; SAY; THINK, by Their Intellectual SUPERIORS aka SmartOnes with IQs OVER 100.

Man O Live, What A Yap dat was.

BIG BIG BIG Don. Telling YOU Da PEOPLE dat He Beez Your Voice.

Another Great Yap

Let me tell ya what ta do. Re-watch Forrest Gump.

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So you are perfect willing to be told what to do by someone with an IQ of 70 then?

The 2016 Republican Party Platform

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform

The First Amendment: Religious Liberty on page 11 of the 'Click here to read through the full platform link'. It's a PDF file.

And you think that if Ted Cruz had won the nomination and the Presidential election that the laws past while he was in office wouldn't have had to pass his evangelical Protestant values?

And you think posting this link somehow discredits the notion that some sealot is going to try to cram his or her version of Christianity down your throat via turning the USA into a theocracy (the Christian Saudi Arabia)?

Sorry no, I had not read the platform in detail and found it an interesting read compared with posts here.

So now I'm wondering if you think posting this link somehow credits the notion that some zealot is going to try to cram his or her version of Christianity down your throat via turning the USA into a theocracy (the Christian Saudi Arabia)?

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I see people who agree with each other believing they don't!

Isn't Drumpf's divide and conquer strategy working just grand? Total infighting and disgust, so he is the only person who bothers to show up and vote!

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And you think that if Ted Cruz had won the nomination and the Presidential election that the laws past while he was in office wouldn't have had to pass his evangelical Protestant values?

Sorry to repeat but no, I had not read the platform in detail and found it an interesting read compared with posts here.

To be honest I'm sitting on the fence and do not like anything I see so far and or what to think. I like hearing and looking into the different points of view. I like to try to understand other's point of view and in turn question my own.

The most important outcome of this election for me is what happens to the Supreme Court for the next 40 years. I prefer a split court. I feel it is more balanced interpretation of law. No one side dominates the other.

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Environmentally, the RNC platform is a disaster. This would not only put efforts to combat climate change way back, or undo-able, but industrializing federal lands would affect many species. This is clearly not science based, but business and emotion.

Steve

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Environmentally, the RNC platform is a disaster. This would not only put efforts to combat climate change way back, or undo-able, but industrializing federal lands would affect many species. This is clearly not science based, but business and emotion.

Steve

Steve I believe the sentiment you are attempting to express is: GIMME!

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Environmentally, the RNC platform is a disaster. This would not only put efforts to combat climate change way back, or undo-able, but industrializing federal lands would affect many species. This is clearly not science based, but business and emotion.

Steve

Steve I believe the sentiment you are attempting to express is: GIMME!

Have been watching an interesting series: - The American West. Isn't that what America was all about?

Environmentally, the RNC platform is a disaster. This would not only put efforts to combat climate change way back, or undo-able, but industrializing federal lands would affect many species. This is clearly not science based, but business and emotion.

Steve

Steve I believe the sentiment you are attempting to express is: GIMME!

Have been watching an interesting series: - The American West. Isn't that what America was all about?

Unfortunately, much of our history all too often has been to use every resource available until completely depleted, regardless of consequences.

Steve

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Isn't that what America was all about?

If you look closely you may see that America
is really all about miss-direction! God help us
if any of them ever catch on to what
people like Clinton et al are dong to them. It's
bad enough up here in the land of the free and the
home of the cold, but them poor people in the republic
are getting it real good from their leaders.



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You know how it is, tell the truth and every one hates you!

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Ian, those so called leaders have bent over too. You aren't permitted to know the names of the real leaders.

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You aren't permitted to know the names of the real leaders.

You may be surprised sir....

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And you think posting this link somehow discredits the notion that some sealot is going to try to cram his or her version of Christianity down your throat via turning the USA into a theocracy (the Christian Saudi Arabia)?

Sorry no, I had not read the platform in detail and found it an interesting read compared with posts here.

So now I'm wondering if you think posting this link somehow credits the notion that some zealot is going to try to cram his or her version of Christianity down your throat via turning the USA into a theocracy (the Christian Saudi Arabia)?

Being one of the most recent atheists on the message board, I'm fairly sure ... yes. Along with my knowledge of the religion as a former practitioner and as an intelligent person, I can now also see some intelligent arguments from my new fellows. One interesting point that applies is that the current platform indicates tacit belief in US Christians being victimized. (Note the bold and look into the truth, outside the US and within.) The persecution of Christians inside the US is, it appears, [i]a perception[/i\ and ... the perception may need to be exist because they belive Jesus existed and, not only that, He died on the Cross to save them from their sins. Thus, as their leader was a victim, they must see themselves also as victims for following him.

BTW, it appears fundamentalist Muslims also play the victim.

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Being one of the most recent atheists on the message board, I'm fairly sure ... yes. Along with my knowledge of the religion as a former practitioner and as an intelligent person, I can now also see some intelligent arguments from my new fellows. One interesting point that applies is that the current platform indicates tacit belief in US Christians being victimized.

That's the feeling I got too. The victim card narrative is over played a lot these days. I feel it has a more negative effect than a positive one.

No comment on perceptions, another day/place maybe, but I understand what you are saying.

Sorry my grammar is not the best. ;^)

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BTW, it appears fundamentalist Muslims also play the victim.

Watch and learn. http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/the-caliph-islamic-history/index.html You may be surprised. Oh, note they translate it as ISIL. They might know.

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Hmm, America feeling the same as the UK? An American "Brexit" shock on the cards?

Shifting allegiances

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-russian-connection-20160725-snap-story.html
Max Boot wrote:

Trump's opposition research firm: Russia's intelligence agencies

As a lifelong Republican, I don’t much care who runs the Democratic National Committee. But I am deeply disturbed by the way that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign as the DNC head over the weekend. WikiLeaks released 20,000 stolen emails revealing a clear, if unsurprising, preference for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders among Democratic officials. This appears to be a foreign intervention in American politics — and it may only be the beginning.

Last month, CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC, traced the source of the leaks to two groups of hackers (“Cozy Bear” and “Fancy Bear”) associated with two Russian intelligence agencies. Moscow’s virtual fingerprints are all over this operation, including hyperlinks in Cyrillic and Internet protocol addresses linked to previous Russian hacks. In short, this appears to be a Russian intelligence operation designed to damage Clinton.

The Russians have every reason to sabotage the Democratic candidate. Her opponent, Donald Trump, is more pro-Russia than any previous presidential candidate. As far back as 2007, Trump was telling CNN that Russian President Vladimir Putin was doing a “great job.” In 2013, Trump tweeted: “Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?” In 2015, Trump told MSNBC that Putin was a real leader, “unlike what we have in this country,” and that reports of Putin killing political opponents didn’t bother him — “Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also,” he said.

Trump repeatedly says he would “get along very well with” Putin. In return Putin has praised Trump as “bright and talented.” Trump positively glows as he repeats reports that “Putin likes me.”

The Trump-Russia links beneath the surface are even more extensive, as Franklin Foer has shown in Slate. Trump has sought and received funding from Russian investors for his business ventures, especially after most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies. Trump’s de facto campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was a longtime consultant to Viktor Yanukovich, the Russian-backed president of Ukraine who was overthrown in 2014. Manafort also has done multimillion-dollar business deals with Russian oligarchs.

Trump’s foreign policy advisor Carter Page has his own business ties to the state-controlled Russian oil giant Gazprom. He recently delivered a speech in Moscow slamming the United States for its “hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization” and praising Russia for a foreign policy supposedly built on “noninterference,” “tolerance” and “respect.” (Try telling that to Ukraine.) Another Trump foreign policy advisor, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, flew to Moscow last year to attend a gala banquet celebrating Russia Today, the Kremlin’s propaganda channel, and was seated at the head table near Putin. Flynn is a regular guest on Russia Today; he refuses to say whether he gets paid.

Given the pro-Putin orientation of Trump and his circle, it is no surprise that his campaign quietly rolled back a call in the GOP platform for arming Ukraine to fight back against Russian aggression, as most Republican foreign-policy experts have advocated. Trump has more than once criticized NATO, the chief obstacle to Russian designs, as obsolete and has said he wouldn’t necessarily come to the aid of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s members if they are attacked by Russia. Trump also cheered Britain’s vote to exit the European Union, another institution that Putin sees as an impediment to his influence.

Trump’s campaign — whose slogan might as well be “Make Russia Great Again”— presents Putin with a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reorient American foreign policy in Russia’s favor. Without the countering influence of the U.S., Putin has a good chance to achieve his dream of undoing the collapse of the Soviet Union, which he has called a “geopolitical catastrophe,” by re-swallowing Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and other former Soviet republics.

Putin may just be getting started in his campaign to elect Trump. Bloomberg reported in June the Clinton Foundation was breached by Russian hackers. The Russians may also have acquired the emails that Hillary Clinton sent as secretary of State. Putin might be holding back explosive material until October, when its release could ensure a Trump victory.

Such a development ought to alarm all Americans, even Republicans. The idea of a hostile foreign power interfering in a U.S. election is a threat to our democracy, one that Republican leaders would be condemning if they hadn’t checked their principles at the gate in exchange for tickets on the Trump Train.

Max Boot is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a contributing writer to Opinion.

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Get on with it.

He is going to be our next president, so, would you please start spinning in his direction?

It would be to our total benefit if you would stop dissing and start moving forward.

Question: Putting aside your own personal opinions, will you do the same if Hillary is elected? Will you start spinning in her direction and stop dissing her and start moving forward?


I don't consider myself a Hillary supporter, but if you're going to use such rhetoric in discussion, be prepared to accept your own challenge you're laying out for everyone else. If you're not willing to do as you say, then perhaps telling others that they should is disingenuous at best.

Get on with it.

He is going to be our next president, so, would you please start spinning in his direction?

It would be to our total benefit if you would stop dissing and start moving forward.

Question: Putting aside your own personal opinions, will you do the same if Hillary is elected? Will you start spinning in her direction and stop dissing her and start moving forward?


I don't consider myself a Hillary supporter, but if you're going to use such rhetoric in discussion, be prepared to accept your own challenge you're laying out for everyone else. If you're not willing to do as you say, then perhaps telling others that they should is disingenuous at best.

I'm not a betting man, but I'll put down a bet on just how disingenuous he is. Need to come up with a good one that does not depend on who wins. :)

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